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Fin Tube Baseboard in kick Space of Kitchen banquette Seating

ced48ced48 Posts: 441Member
Would installing some fin tube radiation in a recessed space in the seating of a banquette effect performance by much? I am talking about a space just tall and wide enough for the baseboard to fit into.

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  • IronmanIronman Posts: 5,082Member
    Yes, it will greatly reduce its output.
    Bob Boan


    You can choose to do what you want, but you cannot choose the consequences.
  • hot_rodhot_rod Posts: 11,608Member
    air movement across the element is what is needed cool air in the bottom, warm air out the top
    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    The magic is in hydronics, and hydronics is in me
  • ced48ced48 Posts: 441Member
    The reason I ask is that I have to replace 17' of fin tube and I only have 4' of wall space left. Everyone seems to be down on kick space units, and the mixing of panel radiators, and so forth. The system is a very small, split loop, and I know I have to be careful not to mess up the balance of the 2 loops. Any ideas would help.
  • Solid_Fuel_ManSolid_Fuel_Man Posts: 1,577Member
    Why not a panel radiator?
    Master electrician specialising in boiler and burner controls, multiple fuel systems, radiant system controls, building controls, and universal refrigeration tech.
  • STEVEusaPASTEVEusaPA Posts: 2,979Member
    Why can’t the space for the fin tube be a little deeper and taller for better convection?
    Either way you may have some toasty ankles.

    —side note—
    I saw at Penn Station in Philly they have an opening in the bottom of the benches, and fin tube in the bottom back of the bench, and a grill at the top back of the bench (and 30-40ft ceilings). They seem to work despite being fully plugged with trash/debris.
    Here’s a pic (I forgot to delete) from overhead (looking down the top/back of bench). I could take a better pic when I take the train to Wetstock.
    I only took the pics to email them telling them they could probably easily save 20% on their heating costs if they would clean them out. They never got back to me (or cleaned them).

    steve
  • ced48ced48 Posts: 441Member
    Yes, I was thinking of leaving some space over the baseboard for the hot air to escape, maybe the openings would be tapered up to nothing. I am only using 120 degree water, so no over heating of the ankle issues. A little concerned about heels kicking them.

    I am concerned about the pressure drop with 1/2" feeds on panel units, and how it could upset the balance of the two loops.
  • IronmanIronman Posts: 5,082Member
    At 120* SWT, you'll only get 1/4 of the rated output. That's assuming the BBs are completely free to breath in their enclosures.

    Chocking the air flow is gonna make it substantially less than that.

    I wouldn't recommend what you're proposing.
    Bob Boan


    You can choose to do what you want, but you cannot choose the consequences.
  • IronmanIronman Posts: 5,082Member
    Is the piping a series loop, direct return or monoflo?
    Bob Boan


    You can choose to do what you want, but you cannot choose the consequences.
  • ced48ced48 Posts: 441Member
    edited August 7
    Standard Slant Fin 30 will get me 210 btu's per foot, Smith's He2, close to 290. I need the equivalent of 17 feet of Slant Fin 30 at these rates. I will only have 4 feet of outside wall left, after installing the new dining area.

    Yes, it is a split, series loop, direct return. Water exits boiler in 1" main, splits into 2, 3/4" lines, feeds the base board on each side, one after the other, each side returns to a common 1" line, back to the boiler.
  • hot_rodhot_rod Posts: 11,608Member
    Cabinet heaters work basically as you describe, a large metal cabinet with fin tube assemble, much larger than fin tube enclosure.

    SlantFin does have high output fin, that looks to outperform the HE?
    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    The magic is in hydronics, and hydronics is in me
  • ced48ced48 Posts: 441Member
    Ironman said:

    At 120* SWT, you'll only get 1/4 of the rated output. That's assuming the BBs are completely free to breath in their enclosures.

    Chocking the air flow is gonna make it substantially less than that.

    I wouldn't recommend what you're proposing.

    Bob, What would you do in this case?
  • IronmanIronman Posts: 5,082Member
    Without actually seeing what you're dealing with, it's hard to say. You mentioned panel rad's in another post?
    Bob Boan


    You can choose to do what you want, but you cannot choose the consequences.
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