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Do I need 24V transformer for Nest even though it’s hooked up to a relay?

Hello, I’m having a bit of trouble understanding my heating system and this forum has been great in answering the many questions I have.
I’m trying to see if I need a 24V transformer to power my Nest even though its hooked up to a Honeywell RA89A relay? Thanks

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  • STEVEusaPA
    STEVEusaPA Member Posts: 5,689
    Yup
    steve
  • ericmhurtado
    ericmhurtado Member Posts: 53
    Ok. I thought that the Nest would be powered through the 24V transformer embedded in the relay?
  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Member Posts: 18,931
    Only if that transformer has enough power, and if you have the third common wire to the Nest and they are all wired together correctly.
    Br. Jamie, osb
    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England
  • ericmhurtado
    ericmhurtado Member Posts: 53
    I’m not sure about the power but this Nest only controls heating and thus only has two wires, no common wire. But I have seen it exhibit some power stealing such as a sign showing that it is time delayed for x:xx, and the boiler turning on and off when there’s no call for heat, etc
  • Zman
    Zman Member Posts: 7,330
    The honeywell looks like it has the power needed for your nest.
    The lack of common terminal will likely give you trouble.
    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough"
    Albert Einstein
  • wcs5050
    wcs5050 Member Posts: 126
    In my experience Nest will work just fine on 2 wire to a dedicated single relay. I had an issue with an old Argo 6 zone relay once but added a single zone as an intermediary and it worked great. Also had an issue with poor conduction through 20 gauge wire that caused erratic function. Best to have 18 gauge wire.
    In general if you have 2 wire and running a 3 wire (for common) is impossible this method works great. Connection to zone valve manifold with 2 wire also appears to work fine.
    Nest will not work via 2 wire on a series wired 24 v steam boiler due to voltage drop so relay addition works well here as well.
    Typical hvac setups have a multi conductor wire so need for modifications.
  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Member Posts: 18,931
    No common wire? Your Nest may work. Then again, it may not. It may work sometimes and not others. Nests draw a lot of power all the time, and have a rather limited internal backup battery. In a two wire hookup, they are dependent on stealing power from the hot side of the two wires and returning it -- but if those two wires are shorted by the Nest itself (that is, if the Nest is calling for heat) there is no power to recharge the Nest. So... whether it works or not will depend on multiple factors, and the more the system calls for heat, the worse it will work.

    Put in a common wire or an outboard power supply (Nest makes one) -- or a thermostat which doesn't have that problem.
    Br. Jamie, osb
    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England
  • wcs5050
    wcs5050 Member Posts: 126
    This is multiple nest TT on several jobs, no call backs.
  • ericmhurtado
    ericmhurtado Member Posts: 53
    wcs5050 said:

    This is multiple nest TT on several jobs, no call backs.

    I’m a bit unclear about your comment can you please elaborate?
  • ericmhurtado
    ericmhurtado Member Posts: 53
    Could my Nest power relay issue have anything to do with my hydronic loop problem? Problem being that the burner shuts off before high limit set point of 180 is reached?
  • ericmhurtado
    ericmhurtado Member Posts: 53
    I have created another discussion titled “How to safely wire Nest to this transformer” after I found two extra unconnected thermostat wires. I felt it would be better to discuss separately since it’s a slightly different topic.