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Question about adding a fresh air pipe to boiler room

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  • stefnstefn Posts: 25Member
    No contractors have tested the combustion exhaust gases for CO to my knowledge.
  • stefnstefn Posts: 25Member
    edited December 4
    I called. It is not one of the recalled units. So...I am having the liner checked, and asking about a fan in can rather than hole in wall? Is the fan in can reliable and can someone explain in terms I can understand how it can help my situation. Thank you
  • GBartGBart Posts: 644Member
    This is the govt site for the recall, not sure if yours is in it, trying to figure out the s#.


    https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2002/CPSC-ECR-International-Announce-Recall-to-Repair-of-Gas-Boilers
  • GBartGBart Posts: 644Member
    You said your boiler was installed 16 years ago, that would be 2001 - 2002 and it looks like the S# falls in the range.

    They state: Independent heating contractors sold and installed these boilers nationwide from August 2001 through March 2002 for between $1,200 and $3,000.

    Consumers should contact ECR International immediately to arrange for a free repair. Consumers can call ECR International at (800) 241- 5501 between 8 a.m. and 5 p.m. ET Monday through Friday.
  • GBartGBart Posts: 644Member
    This could be part of your problem unfortunately, it didn't dawn on me till I looked at the picture of the label, some of these units were putting extremely high amounts of CO in the exhaust, if they tested the combustion gas it should have showed, you need to get a hold of the best contractor in your area, you need to ask them if they have a electronic combustion analyzer that will test CO as well and ask them if they are familiar with the ECR, Dunkirk boiler recall for high CO @ 2002.

    Let us know how this works out, hopefully I'm wrong. Could be the boiler was repaired under the recall way back, but it's a base that needs to be covered. You still need combustion air even if you change the unit out and these are the kits.

    https://www.fieldcontrols.com/cas-3-oil-and-cas-4-gas?page_id=94
  • stefnstefn Posts: 25Member
    I called ECR. Gave them model and serial number. Mine was not one of the recalled units
  • GBartGBart Posts: 644Member
    edited December 5
    One down, you still need to find the best contractor in your area, you need to ask them if they have a electronic combustion analyzer that will test CO as well and ask them if they are familiar with providing combustion with the Fan in a Can or other kits and if they will provide you with a COppm in the exhaust, if you had alarms go off that should have been done, gas units should be below 100ppm in the exhaust, the average is 10-20ppm, at 400ppm the unit has to be shut down and repaired, but any competent technician is going to have concerns about any unit that is around or above 100ppm because that isn't normal.

    Even though ECR says it isn't in the recall I really don't like those boilers or their design, it's very open and any issues with draft and the exhaust backs right out, those units are 1950's technology, a high efficiency sealed combustion boiler is a much better way to go and about 50% more efficient.

    Maybe if you post your area someone here can step up or provide a reference, it's very sad that our field does not have better technicians overall, real pro's are very hard to find, this is sometimes linked to a lack of strict licensing and training regulations, I worked for Carrier in tech support and I covered the northeast, any state that had lax licensing had the worst tech's with the dumbest questions, the toughest, Ct, Mass and RI usually had tech's calling in that had tried a lot of things logically and were truly stumped.
  • stefnstefn Posts: 25Member
    Thank you. I live in Suffolk county on Long Island in New York. Maybe someone on here is close to me? Thanks
  • GBartGBart Posts: 644Member
    edited December 5
    At the top of this screen is a box for find a contractor in your area, good luck and you can show them the thread so they save time.

    it's here : https://heatinghelp.com/find-a-contractor/
  • GBartGBart Posts: 644Member
    Does anyone here have any experience or knowledge of NH Ross co in LI ?
  • NY_RobNY_Rob Posts: 1,212Member
    ^ I know Mr Ross, I did some computer IT work for him.
    Good man, he and his wife run the company. They run a tight ship.

    I would have no problem recommending them- quality company that does good work.

  • NY_RobNY_Rob Posts: 1,212Member
    Soundview Heating & Air Conditioning in Middle Island is also very good. They did some really excellent work at our local Fire Dep. Headquarters. Neat and clean, quality workmanship.
  • GBartGBart Posts: 644Member
    edited December 5
    Yeah I just kind of researched them too and seem to be on the up & up.

    Please let us know how this turns out.
  • stefnstefn Posts: 25Member
    Thank you
  • stefnstefn Posts: 25Member
    So John Pilger from Chief Chimney was at my home this morning. He did a draft test and said the system has really good draft. He checked the liner and stated that I have a 5.5 smooth wall liner. He took down the rest of the information from the boiler and will input into his system at home to make sure liner is correct size for this boiler.
  • stefnstefn Posts: 25Member
    I'd like to ask this question as well...........when its super cold outside and/or we get snow or sleet then the chimney cap (which was changed when new liner was installed) gets quite a bit of ice covering it. It's not completely covered but you can see the ice formation and see chunks fall to the driveway when it melts off. Any relation to this issue I'm having or is this totally separate?
  • NY_RobNY_Rob Posts: 1,212Member
    @stefn

    When you did the "Find a Contractor" thing.... didn't Robert's company come up?

    Technical Heating
    631-473-1597
    78 CHESTNUT ST, MOUNT SINAI, NY 11766

    He's in mid Suffolk and is certainly well qualified and trustworthy..
  • stefnstefn Posts: 25Member
    It didn’t. Thank you
  • GBartGBart Posts: 644Member
    still no test for CO ppm in the exhaust??? this is a must
  • Erin Holohan HaskellErin Holohan Haskell Posts: 796Member, Moderator, Administrator
    edited December 6
    NY_Rob said:

    @stefn

    When you did the "Find a Contractor" thing.... didn't Robert's company come up?

    Technical Heating
    631-473-1597
    78 CHESTNUT ST, MOUNT SINAI, NY 11766

    He's in mid Suffolk and is certainly well qualified and trustworthy..

    Here you go: https://heatinghelp.com/find-a-contractor/detail/technical-heating
    President
    HeatingHelp.com
  • captaincocaptainco Posts: 405Member
    Not sure what you mean by pretty good draft. But if the draft is over -.02" you have plenty of combustion air. Combustion numbers are critical to determining the problem. This includes multiple readings over 5 minutes - O2 and CO readings.
  • stefnstefn Posts: 25Member
    Multiple draft readings over five minutes. Readings were 7
  • NysteamerNysteamer Posts: 14Member
    Hello all, this conversation is going in many different directions, but I wanted to ask everyone their thoughts on this device. I installed one of these in my boiler room. I don't know the combustion air requirements of the devices but I figured any air exchange was better than none considering it is enclosed from the rest of the basement.

  • stefnstefn Posts: 25Member
    I’d love to know what it is and what it does. Can you explain?
  • NysteamerNysteamer Posts: 14Member
    Haha sorry guys, this is an air ex-changer. It gets ducted to the outside to pull air in and out. @ 180 cfm with both fans running.
  • captaincocaptainco Posts: 405Member
    What is 7? Inches or Pascals? Draft is usually .02"w.c. or higher.
  • stefnstefn Posts: 25Member
    Not sure. He drilled a hole into pipe coming out boiler. He had a hand held device with a probe. Stuck the probe into the hole he drilled multiple times. With louvered door open. With it closed. The number showed 7. He said it was a very good draft. Boiler was running. Was completely NOT what other guy did the other day. Called last night. Said I have right size liner for my boiler and chimney. He said we should add insulation around it and change chimney cap. Thoughts? This is John Pilger who came. I trust him.
  • DZoroDZoro Posts: 477Member
    Your issue could also be a "right situation" problem. The right wind, direction, pressures, air. Most of the time you may have perfect draft, but..... in the right situation you can be in trouble with the draft. IMO the only way to solve is mechanically. Does Dunkirk offer a power exhaust for that boiler? This along with a fan intake, to me is still your best and safest option.
  • Bob HarperBob Harper Posts: 790Member
    Power venter at boiler putting vent under positive pressure illegal unless you replace entire vent with one listed to UL 1738 but that assumes your boiler's stack temp. is low enough for that venting and approved for it. The only way to power vent with unlisted connector pipe and std. chimney liner is with a terminal power vent that puts the entire vent under negative pressure.
    Ping John for clarification on that number. As Jim said, its usually one or the other unit of measure. 7 Pascals = 0.028 wci, which is just enough draft. Hopefully, he took pics of the meter as it read or, if it was a combustion analyzer he should have been able to print out all the numbers including stack temp, O2, CO.
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