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Broomell In Ruins

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  • Almost all of the P-Traps are still there, but the all important inlet valves are all missing upper components (and certainly need a re-build), and some have this branding:



    Anyone recognize?
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  • It was originally a single boiler. Now it is two, with the piping transition botched. Receiver is gone. No main venting. Most radiators now have radiator vents. There are a few 1-pipe radiators that have been added.





    You'll note in the 2nd photo that the single supply main loops around and connects right back to the supply, with a single drip..
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  • Danny ScullyDanny Scully Member Posts: 644
    I think your first step is removing those radiators...and sending them to me. We’ll come up with a game plan after that :lol:
  • At a minimum all the inlet valves need to be replaced/rebuilt, the P-Traps cleaned, the near boiler piping needs to be fixed, the basement piping needs to be straightened out, and we need venting.

    And the house isn't in the Hamptons.

    What would you do?
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  • For you @Danny Scully



    Just imagine if they were sandblasted and refinished. Oh, man.
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  • jumperjumper Member Posts: 1,000
    Well I don't know about the one pipe rads. I wonder if valves can be replaced with TRVs? Broomell was supposed to be wonderful so if you can restore....
  • Danny ScullyDanny Scully Member Posts: 644
    Can I come help?! Please!! :wink:
  • SteamheadSteamhead Member Posts: 11,383
    @New England SteamWorks , the radiator in the first set of pics is a Whittier. These date back to the late 1800s. The Broomell equipment might have been retrofitted- IIRC at the time the Whittier was in production, the only two-pipe steam system was two-pipe air-vent. This may explain some of the radiator vents.

    You'll want to vent this system first. Get the steam moving and make sure the owner sees the difference. Then you can start fixing the rest of the Beavis and Butt-head stuff.

    @Erin Holohan Haskell , the Whittier EDR chart is missing from its place in the Heating Museum under Radiators. I've attached it here.
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  • JUGHNEJUGHNE Member Posts: 3,286
    IMO, for a budget job just to get the system heating, I would install the standard Plain Jane steam inlet valves with orifices in the unions.
    The traps may or may not have to work.

    I have read an article by Henry Gifford concerning inlet orifices and applied his theory for a system that is now running with 8-12 ounces.

    If I understand correctly if you can orifice the rads down to 60 to 80% of their EDR then that is all the boiler will need to satisfy.
    Mr. Gifford showed an example where a boiler replacement size could be reduced by one third.

    I did ask Dan H. about this and he concurred.
    Maybe the one newer boiler would heat the house?
    The bedroom picture looks as if the windows have new inserts installed, if so that and any other envelope upgrades may have dropped the heat loss.

    I assume this was a vapor system to begin with and the piping was sized large enough for ounces operation?

    Less money than moving the house to the Hamptons.
  • SteamheadSteamhead Member Posts: 11,383

    Almost all of the P-Traps are still there, but the all important inlet valves are all missing upper components (and certainly need a re-build), and some have this branding:



    Anyone recognize?

    Detroit Lubricator Co, which became part of American Radiator Co.
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    "Reducing our country's energy consumption, one system at a time"
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Baltimore, MD (USA) and consulting anywhere.
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  • nicholas bonham-carternicholas bonham-carter Member Posts: 6,540
    If the system is piped in such a way that both boilers are feeding the system in parallel, then they could be staged, with a Vaporstat, so that one of them drops out at a couple of ounces of pressure.
    This lower pressure coupled with orifices, or Mepco regulating valves would negate the need for traps on the return side. Main venting would have to let the air out quickly.—NBC
  • Erin Holohan HaskellErin Holohan Haskell Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 439
    Steamhead said:


    @Erin Holohan Haskell , the Whittier EDR chart is missing from its place in the Heating Museum under Radiators. I've attached it here.

    Thanks for the heads up, @Steamhead. I'll update this.
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  • JohnNYJohnNY Member Posts: 1,824
    Steamhead said:



    Detroit Lubricator Co, which became part of American Radiator Co.

    You literally amaze me sometimes, @Steamhead. Well done.
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  • AMservicesAMservices Member Posts: 224
    @New England SteamWorks great find.
    I hope your customer let's you do everything you know needs to be done. The work will pay for it self.
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