Low ambient disable for split system
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So wait,
My current 8000 series would do it if I connect an outdoor sensor?
It could be set for, say 55F and it would lock it out?Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment0 -
Is your current 8000 t-stat heat pump compatible?0
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Yes,njtommy said:Is your current 8000 t-stat heat pump compatible?
But it looks like I need a TH8320/TH8321 for the lockout option but even then, it only allows up to 40F. I'd want 50-55F.
Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment0 -
Are you getting a heat pump or simple AC. The above references are, I believe, to lock out a heat pump for maybe a dual fuel set up.
My guess it that you want a LACO for your AC to keep it from running when below 55. I have seen simple close on rise button t-stats inside a Carrier unit.....maybe 55-60 degree to close.1 -
Yes, just as a safety device for cool only.JUGHNE said:Are you getting a heat pump or simple AC. The above references are, I believe, to lock out a heat pump for maybe a dual fuel set up.
My guess it that you want a LACO for your AC to keep it from running when below 55. I have seen simple close on rise button t-stats inside a Carrier unit.....maybe 55-60 degree to close.
Do you have a link for what you're using? My dad also wants such a thing on his system.Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment0 -
Install a Nema 3-r mechanical thermostat in the outdoor unit that breaks the wire to the y terminal.0
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This may come across as silly but, why don't the outdoor units come with such protection?
Wouldn't it help on warranty repairs?Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment0 -
The one I saw was in a 5 ton unit at a church that I service.
It is a simple button hanging on control wires connected with 1/4" push on terms.
Some Carrier/Bryant tech here may know a part number.
It was NEMA 1 device sheltered from the rain.
It is one of those 5 dollar items that you can buy for maybe 20 bucks.
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Awesome!
http://www.supplyhouse.com/ICM-Controls-SC055-SC055-Dryout-Thermostat-Low-Ambient-Cutoff-Switch-55-F?gclid=CJmd18uwkc8CFU5bhgodixoLuQ
Thanks @ratioSingle pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment0 -
That is similar to what I saw.
Did you notice the ICM site specs 55 degrees +/- 9*
Supply house site specs +/- 5*
These could save many compressors where many hands are on the T-stat. (Public places....churches etc.)
It is one thing the layman public person can not over ride0 -
That's why I want one.JUGHNE said:That is similar to what I saw.
Did you notice the ICM site specs 55 degrees +/- 9*
Supply house site specs +/- 5*
These could save many compressors where many hands are on the T-stat. (Public places....churches etc.)
It is one thing the layman public person can not over ride
Even with only my hands on the thermostat, accident's happen and with something so easy and cheap to protect it I don't see how you couldn't.
I really don't understand why manufacturers aren't including these in the product.
The downside is the airhandler will still run and the indoor thermostat won't say anything. I guess, unless you looped the indoor t-stat run outside to the sensor somewhere. That would take both the air handler \ furnace and the condensing unit out.Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment0 -
2 Amps max.
Fan only running will tell you someone is playing with T-stat.
The placebo effect of fan running will "cool" some people off.
That is why Placebo T-stats are popular.0 -
I certainly hope that contactor doesn't exceed 2 amps. If it does I really oversized the system.JUGHNE said:2 Amps max.
Fan only running will tell you someone is playing with T-stat.
The placebo effect of fan running will "cool" some people off.
That is why Placebo T-stats are popular.
Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment0 -
Looks like a delay is recommended when using the ICM SC055 for this as well. Going to order both a 5 minute delay and 55° thermostat.
Here's the delay.
http://www.supplyhouse.com/ICM-Controls-ICM201F-ICM201F-Delay-on-Break-Timer-6-Wire-Leads-5-Minute-Delay
And the thermostat
http://www.supplyhouse.com/ICM-Controls-SC055-SC055-Dryout-Thermostat-Low-Ambient-Cutoff-Switch-55-F?gclid=CJmd18uwkc8CFU5bhgodixoLuQ
Seems like extremely cheap insurance to me.Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment0 -
I don't know, I'd assume a typo.SWEI said:
Fahrenheit versus Celsius?JUGHNE said:Did you notice the ICM site specs 55 degrees +/- 9*
Supply house site specs +/- 5*
I just emailed ICM for clarification as my dad isn't liking the +9 possibility. He's been known to fire the system up when it's in the low 60s and humid out.
Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment0 -
I'm somewhat unclear whether it represents setpoint tolerance or deadband.0
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Both sites said F* I believe.
Many control transformers have a 3 amp fuse in the 24 VAC secondary.......only open with a problem in system. The 2 amp for the contactor should be good.
Most T-stats have a programmable time delay (up to 5 minutes) for compressor, the "cool" flashes while you wait. That has been enough usually.
For cooling below 65 or so ambient, many use the ICM head pressure control for the AC. It varies the cond fan motor speed based on the liquid temp in the unit.
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If there anything fancy (zoning, etc.) going on, or I think there's any chance it'll need to operate when it's cool out, she gets low ambient kit. Head pressure, cch, freezestat, the works.0
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I was looking into this for my setup, but Trane / AS claim it's safe down to 55F stock, and down to something like 40F with defrost control, but I could never find out what "defrost control" is or if the TAM7 airhandler comes with it. It's certainly not listed as an accessory.ratio said:If there anything fancy (zoning, etc.) going on, or I think there's any chance it'll need to operate when it's cool out, she gets low ambient kit. Head pressure, cch, freezestat, the works.
Is a low ambient kit still beneficial to these units at cooler temps and can the ICM control vary a single speed fan motor? I thought most setups simply cycled the condenser fan on head pressure?
With a low ambient setup I wouldn't be concerned about low temp protection, the unit would be fine at 40-50F should it end up on some how.Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment0 -
There're pressure switches that will cycle the fan on & off, & a number of devices to vary the speed of the condenser fan. I've used these with good success. ICM also offers a selection. In fact, I almost bought one this morning for a unit that I'm expecting to kit up for a long dehumidification season. Then there's the Big Boy stuff, flooded condensers, head pressure control valves, accumulators, receivers, all sorts of neat stuff, but not perhaps cost effective for residential work.
And I still haven't looked up those manuals yet, but I will.
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Do you typically do a crank case heater with one of these controls or no?ratio said:There're pressure switches that will cycle the fan on & off, & a number of devices to vary the speed of the condenser fan. I've used these with good success. ICM also offers a selection. In fact, I almost bought one this morning for a unit that I'm expecting to kit up for a long dehumidification season. Then there's the Big Boy stuff, flooded condensers, head pressure control valves, accumulators, receivers, all sorts of neat stuff, but not perhaps cost effective for residential work.
And I still haven't looked up those manuals yet, but I will.
It looks like all you do is strap a sensor onto the condenser, wire the badboy in and tweak two settings on the ICM controller and you're up and running when it's chilly out.Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment0 -
You should. If it's going to operate in cold weather, then for sure, but if you think you're just going to go a little further into the swing season then I might not.0
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I have seen/installed the ICM variable speed controller on AC units for commercial kitchens, flower shop with reach in self contained compressor which overheated the building on cooler days, and movie theater which requires cooling dependent upon occupancy count.
You probably don't need it if you don't run AC below 55* amb. IMO.0
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