I really wanted this one,

Tinman

but my proposal was rejected. My number was too high is what I was told. This is a 100% in floor radiant system (poured concrete). From what I was told, the company who did the work cut loose the supply and return from the old boiler and reconnected them to a new cast iron boiler. That's it. Everything else stayed as is. Same circs, same relays, same archaic way of mixing, same spaghetti mess. They even ignored the fact that there's a leak in one of the zones.

So many good things could have been done here.

Paul Pollets

There oughta be a law...the new boiler will be toast without proper mixing controls. Hope they saved your number, they'll need it sooner rather than later.

Gordy

They lost you could have done some magic there Stephen.

That B&G red dust pan played some tricks on my eyes along with the copper pipe seemingly running up through the circ.

hvacplumber7

Paul, even if they do save his number. I'm really not sure he wants these ppl as a customer. If they were cheap enough to think that all they needed was a new boiler. Than they will never be willing to pay for the work to be done properly.
There was probably a good chance that the work Stephen was going to do would have saved them the extra money they didn't want to spend. Pay for it now or pay for it later. Eventually they will pay!

Tinman

I collect antiquated B&G parts...so I missed out on that too. : )

Gordy

What is misunderstood largely is the details by the customer. It's to bad there is not an app that you could take a picture of an existing mechanical room, and insert your vision of what it will look like when your done. I would be willing to bet a lot of bids would go the other way once the customer realizes what the finished product will look like by different installers.

Tinman

That would be nice. Until then I use before and after pictures, references. I get over lost jobs quickly. You have to. Something better always seems to come along.
It'll be a short holiday and Tim and I will be back in a boiler room Saturday. Life is good.

jonny88

There ought to be a law @Paul Pollets .Full stop.It is not fair to the honest contractor like Stephen and certainly not fair to customer.In their defense they could may have been in contact with a great salesman.Very unfortunate for all except for the POS who put this in.

Paul Pollets

The perception of value in the lowest price is a huge misconception. Hardly apples to apples.

Gordy

Paul Pollets said:

The perception of value in the lowest price is a huge misconception. Hardly apples to apples.

I think more people know than credit is given. How they apply it is another matter. Not many want a chunk out of the wallet for nice well done mechanicals that can't be seen. While willing to buy granite verses formica.

ChrisJ

Hatterasguy said:

There is nothing in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and he who considers price only is that man's lawful prey.

Coming from a man that buys Dell computers.

Gordy

You can be the Prey so long as your selective, and educated to your decision. We are all cheap to some degree.

ChrisJ

Hatterasguy said:

There are a lot of machines that are way cheaper than Dell, my friend.

Last I saw a Dell could be had for around a few hundred dollars.
I don't care if there's cheaper, they're garbage.

Tinman

I got my first Mac this year and wonder what took me so damn long. My daughters finally convinced me to go that route.

My only beef is I can't use the software that I always use for load calcs and such so I keep an old Sony Vaio around for that.

Gordy

Stephen Minnich said:

I got my first Mac this year and wonder what took me so damn long. My daughters finally convinced me to go that route.



My only beef is I can't use the software that I always use for load calcs and such so I keep an old Sony Vaio around for that.

Deffinetly Apple has a niche. Took my oldest daughter to convince me also. Same software gaps though.

Gordy

ChrisJ said:

Hatterasguy said:

There are a lot of machines that are way cheaper than Dell, my friend.

Last I saw a Dell could be had for around a few hundred dollars.
I don't care if there's cheaper, they're garbage.

Most boxes have like manufactors of components. So in the end it's how it's all put together, and how well the name on the box stands behind it.

I find Apple to be an innovative game changer.

Like a steam, or hydronic boiler install.

Steamhead

Stephen Minnich said:

I got my first Mac this year and wonder what took me so damn long. My daughters finally convinced me to go that route.



My only beef is I can't use the software that I always use for load calcs and such so I keep an old Sony Vaio around for that.

There are several ways to run Windows programs on a Mac. None are perfect, but if all you're doing is running load calc software this way, just find one that works. Here's a discussion I found:

http://www.howtogeek.com/187359/5-ways-to-run-windows-software-on-a-mac/

Several years ago, I had the Slant/Fin program running under WINE on a Ubuntu Linux machine. OK, the S/F is a really simple program, but it worked.

Tinman

I'll have to try that. Thank you.
I use Elite's Commercial and Residential Load Calc. and Uponor's ADS