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Is my Weil-McLain EGH-95 dead? Replacement advice requested.

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  • vaporvac
    vaporvac Member Posts: 1,520
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    You seem to have more radiation per sq ft than I. Your house seems similar to @Jamie Hall 's in size, but I don't recall his edr. Of course, he's in the NE as well.
    I can't comment on the twinning aspect or reliance on an atmospheric vs. a power burner. It's very little more...but they do need to know how to install the power burner and use a combustion analyzer. In any case, you should push for a multi-stage burner as @Dave0176 suggests. It saves some serious money and you'll be amazed at how much NG a large house can blow through.
    @KC_Jones point may still be correct. I don't know how the 1" pipe compares to the 3/4", but the pipe size does determine the max edr. Therefore, one can have a huge emitter, but it will only emit as much as the pipe leading to it allows.
    Two-pipe Trane vaporvacuum system; 1466 edr
    Twinned, staged Slantfin TR50s piped into 4" header with Riello G400 burners; 240K lead, 200K lag Btus. Controlled by Taco Relay and Honeywell RTH6580WF
    Dave0176
  • KC_Jones
    KC_Jones Member Posts: 5,739
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    A 1" pipe maximum is 104 on gravity return. In reality at low vapor pressures probably lower than that. It depends on system design and what kind of pressure drop they anticipated etc. It's not totally cut and dry, but from what I am seeing not sure if I would size the boiler to those emitters. I can't remember where I read it (most likely one of Dan's books), but I recall some systems had the emitters oversized on purpose. This was to ensure that all steam was condensed before it got to the return piping. Is it possible this system was designed like that? I seem to recall something like 80% of the actual emitter size was for heating. 80% of your 120 EDR would be 96 which is within the range of 1" pipe. Just another thought.
    2014 Weil Mclain EG-40
    EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Boiler Control
    Boiler pictures updated 2/21/15
    vaporvac
  • Fred
    Fred Member Posts: 8,542
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    If it were me. I'd base the EDR of those radiators on the capacity of the feed pipe and not the size of the radiator. 1" pipe is the limiting factor here.
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 15,700
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    Fred said:

    If it were me. I'd base the EDR of those radiators on the capacity of the feed pipe and not the size of the radiator. 1" pipe is the limiting factor here.

    Maybe, maybe not.
    I have an 1 1/4" feeding a 60sqft rad and I promise you it can fill completely and not hammer.

    Depends on the pitch of the pipe as well as length and what fittings there are. Under perfect conditions I'm sure it can exceed the norm by quite a bit.
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment
  • Fred
    Fred Member Posts: 8,542
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    ChrisJ said:

    Fred said:

    If it were me. I'd base the EDR of those radiators on the capacity of the feed pipe and not the size of the radiator. 1" pipe is the limiting factor here.

    Maybe, maybe not.
    I have an 1 1/4" feeding a 60sqft rad and I promise you it can fill completely and not hammer.

    Depends on the pitch of the pipe as well as length and what fittings there are. Under perfect conditions I'm sure it can exceed the norm by quite a bit.
    I would certainly expect a 1-1/4" pipe to easily fill a 60 EDR radiator. I think this poster is talking about a 1" pipe and a rad somewhere between 120 and 156 EDR, unless I'm misunderstanding what's been said in this string. In this case I'd go with the rated capacity of the pipe and I think I'd be closer to accurate than using the rad capacity.
  • KC_Jones
    KC_Jones Member Posts: 5,739
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    I wonder how this project has progressed?
    2014 Weil Mclain EG-40
    EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Boiler Control
    Boiler pictures updated 2/21/15
  • hituw2x4
    hituw2x4 Member Posts: 19
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    I am eager to see the projects progression too.
  • Fred
    Fred Member Posts: 8,542
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    As am I !!
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 16,842
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    Somehow I missed this earlier.

    Vapor systems, such as your Dunham, were the Cadillac of heating in their day, and are still some of the best out there. With proper care, this system will outlast us.

    I'll be interested in the outcome here too.
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    Towson, MD, USA
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