BEAVER # 26E Pipe Threader...DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO USE THIS & WHAT PARTS ARE MISSING IF ANY?

ww

Does anyone know where I can get some information on this such as manuals and what I need to start threading pipe with this?

ww

I have to thread some 2 inch pipe and took this out again...tried a few ideas here and am looking for an instruction manual for this. it is not the same as these newer devices like rigid. Any help appreciated. it looks like there is an internal vise in this unit.

STEVEusaPA

It's probably close to this:
https://cdn2.ridgid.com/resources/media?key=c7a4786e-92bb-460e-b59c-cc05bb6f6236&languageCode=en&type=document

unclejohn

All I know is that a friend told me to always use the pipe that holds the vice to the floor.

ratio

That, & a pipe in the handle in the power pony…

EBEBRATT-Ed

you rotate the dies until the size you want to thread are lined up . there should be a line on the casting to line up with the pipe size selected then tighten those clamps down

but a close up of the actual die they look like there chipped up don't know how well they will work

dies for those threaders are sadly no longer available as Toledo sold out to Curtis Air compressor and they stopped making those dies

STEVEusaPA

Good stuff @EBEBRATT-Ed. I figured you’d probably know

EdTheHeaterMan

This is close but a slightly different model. Maybe this will help a little. Found this on eBay. With careful adjustments and lots of cutting oil, you may get what you need. If the threads are for a project that does not need to hold pressure, then the quality of the threads may not matter.

If you need good threads for gas pipe or pressure, then rent one for the needed project.




https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Beaver-Pipe-Threader-26-R-Tool-1-2-Warren-Ohio-1949-/174191649534

ww

ok thanks...been practicing doing threading. the pipes i want to thread are for oil tank fill and vent which are 2 inch. i did notice the chipped threads. thanks to you all for the info here and diagrams and instructions.

was wondering if the chipped threads would cause a problem and see now that the new..inserts are not available. ..maybe a problem?

do you think this would work the way it is and would be good for what i want to do...i know when the oil is delivered it can go in pretty fast under pressure too....so will see....i like to do jobs the right way the first time. Thanks!

STEVEusaPA

I don't think your threader with those die heads is going to work.
Also, no teflon tape on threads, pipe dope only.
Tank piping requires swing joints.
I would let the oil company know you piped new/existing oil tank so someone can check the tank and piping, to make sure there are no problems and no leaks on the first fill.
Otherwise you, and maybe not your insurance company, will assume all cost and liability in the event of a spill.

ChrisJ

STEVEusaPA said:

I don't think your threader with those die heads is going to work.
Also, no teflon tape on threads, pipe dope only.
Tank piping requires swing joints.
I would let the oil company know you piped new/existing oil tank so someone can check the tank and piping, to make sure there are no problems and no leaks on the first fill.
Otherwise you, and maybe not your insurance company, will assume all cost and liability in the event of a spill.

Steve have you ever been told the reason teflon tape isn't allowed on oil lines?

PTFE shows excellent compatibility for diesel fuel as well as other petroleum products, so I assume it's for a similar reason to natural gas / LPG?

mattmia2

What is the reason for gas? I don't think the michigan residential code has any prohibition of it.

ChrisJ

mattmia2 said:

What is the reason for gas? I don't think the michigan residential code has any prohibition of it.

Some areas allow it, others do not.
The reason is if used improperly, bits and pieces can get stuck in gas valves etc and cause problems. If used properly, there is no issue.

ww

yes to the swing joints and sealant...like the blue stuff here....with the pitch of the tank toward the fill valve without a swing joint it wouldn't slope toward the tank and cause more problems. glad to see Steve you are well versed on this subject and clarify the codes and videos about the subject..i guess i won't bother threading the pipes with this unit either...if there is a chance of not cutting the threads properly it's not worth the trouble. Ed seems to think it wouldn't be the best choice to use either.

JUGHNE

IIUC, big box stores will thread pipe if you buy it there.
(threading competence is sometime questioned. )

EBEBRATT-Ed

or you can rent a threader. Some supply houses can cut and thread pipe.

We used to use teflon tape on oil lines all the time and it was never an issue but it was outlawed many years ago.

The original issue back then (unless they found more issues) was the pump manufacturers complained about pumps being returned where the fittings had been screwed in way to tight due to the low friction of the teflon tape and damaging the pumps

ChrisJ

EBEBRATT-Ed said:

or you can rent a threader. Some supply houses can cut and thread pipe. We used to use teflon tape on oil lines all the time and it was never an issue but it was outlawed many years ago. The original issue back then (unless they found more issues) was the pump manufacturers complained about pumps being returned where the fittings had been screwed in way to tight due to the low friction of the teflon tape and damaging the pumps

For what it's worth, my dad used to rebuild carburetors for someone that insisted on using tape on the fuel lines even though my dad told him to stop repeatedly.     He often got one with tape making the float leak.  Even worse I think they were all flare connections.

I don't think there's a right way to use it in that application.

STEVEusaPA

@ChrisJ , what @EBEBRATT-Ed said. They also claimed the tape could break down and damage the pump, or break down and cause a leak. No sense in fighting it as if there was a leak and threads had Teflon tape, I’m sure the tech would lose that court battle.
However on my oil trucks, every delivery nozzle and hose assembly has Teflon tape and pipe dope. Never had a leak or a problem.

mattmia2

Carbs frequently have NPT inlets and adapters to flare.

Most better hardware stores can thread pipe and they know what they are doing.

CLamb

ww said:

was wondering if the chipped threads would cause a problem and see now that the new..inserts are not available. ..maybe a problem?

You might find usable inserts for sale on ebay.

Larry Weingarten

Hi @ww , @CLamb nailed it! Here's a link to a quick search on ebay with 55 listings. Maybe something there will work: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=beaver+threader+dies&_sacat=0&_dmd=2&rt=nc

ww

ok...thanks for the info