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Marylander condo boiler mishap?

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jumper
jumper Member Posts: 2,576

Read in the paper that a boiler in a condominium development burst pipes with over pressure. Sounds unlikely to me. Does anyone here know more?

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  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,626

    First I've heard of it, and a search turned up nothing.

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  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 17,226

    if the controls run away and the relief valve fails or has been tampered with the energy has to go somewhere.

  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 12,453

    Hay @jumper, In what paper did you read about this?

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

  • jumper
    jumper Member Posts: 2,576

    Saturday's Wall Street Journal. There's a youtube of a local TV news piece about this. Supposedly homeless invaded the complex and sabotaged a boiler. My question is how to do that to raise pressure enough to burst pipes?

  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,626

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  • jumper
    jumper Member Posts: 2,576

    Link? On youtube search Marylander. DuckDuck it as well. WSJ often paywalls.

  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,626

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  • JUGHNE
    JUGHNE Member Posts: 11,591

    I would guess that lack of heat caused the domestic water to freeze and break.

    Probably the heating pipes also.

    Pictures of the boiler room would be interesting.

    One would think that the homeless would be living in the boiler room for warmth.

  • jesmed1
    jesmed1 Member Posts: 1,487

    Something is fishy there. $1600/mo in condo fees, and they haven't had heat since Oct/Nov? And the property mgrs are blaming a nearby homeless camp? LOL. Sounds like inept and/or crooked property management.

  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 17,226

    or someone stole the copper from the mechanical room depending on what sort of area it is in.

    you have to remember the real estate company will ask what people will pay in condo fees, not what it costs to run the condo complex.

  • jesmed1
    jesmed1 Member Posts: 1,487
    edited May 3

    Here's a more in-depth story. Apparently a new professional property management company just took over, replacing a "mom and pop firm with questionable financial practices." In other words, the previous property managers milked the condo association dry, leaving their impoverished condo owners with a giant mess.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2026/jan/13/hyattsville-area-condo-owners-blame-homeless-encampment-7-weeks/

    The new management company says the complex has $17 million in deferred maintenance needs. That's the real story, not some homeless people trashing a boiler room. The new management company raised the condo fees to try to stop the bleeding, but $17 million for a 200-unit complex owned by people who are just scraping by is a big hole to fill.

    In the '90's I owned a condo near Denver, in roughly the same size complex built in the '70's. By the time I bought in, much of the infrastructure had been neglected because too many owners didn't want to pay higher condo fees. We eventually hired an independent appraiser to do a reserve study. He found that over $1 million in work needed to be done, and there was a revolt against the association board. Fortunately I was able to fix up my unit and sell at a profit before that time bomb exploded, but it's a common story in large condo associations. Cheaping out on repairs, mismanagement, apathetic property managers who skim funds, etc. Sad that these poor people in Maryland are suffering from a similar situation.

  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 12,453

    @jumper asked: Saturday's Wall Street Journal. There's a youtube of a local TV news piece about this. Supposedly homeless invaded the complex and sabotaged a boiler. My question is how to do that to raise pressure enough to burst pipes?

    I don't believe the boiler pressure ever got above 30 PSI in that place. Burst pipes are usually a result of water freezing inside the pipes. You may have burst pipes on bothe the potabel wot and cold water and the hydronic system. That's gonna cost a ton fo $$$ to get it right.

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 17,226

    there is a 10 page article that could be written about management of condos any only briefly touching on the highlights, but i will leave it as condos shouldn't exist in the first place the condo in itself is a shortcut of doing it properly.

    jesmed1
  • jesmed1
    jesmed1 Member Posts: 1,487

    There actually are some condo associations where all the owners are willing to make the needed investments in maintenance and upkeep, and I'm fortunate to live in one of them. Unfortunately such associations are few and far between.

  • jumper
    jumper Member Posts: 2,576

    Any association has members with different priorities. Some are willing to pay to maintain their investment. Some cannot afford assessments or increased fees.

  • jumper
    jumper Member Posts: 2,576

    Which is why renting can be a bargain if only authorities don't mess with the business.

  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 12,453

    Yea…. but there are only three other members of that condo association. it's a 4 unit building!

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

  • jesmed1
    jesmed1 Member Posts: 1,487
    edited May 4

    Yes, we have only 4 units. Very small associations like this are common in the Boston area where I live. One of the most common residential structures around here is the triple-decker house, tens of thousands of wich were built as high-density housing in the late 1800's/early1900's. Each floor is a separate self-contained apartment unit. Many of these buildings have been converted into condos, with only 3 units in the association.

    With only 2 or 3 other owners, it's possible to find associations like ours where everyone is willing to fund needed repairs and keep up with preventive maintenance. But as you correctly imply, the probability of having other owners who want to cheap out and refuse to fund needed improvements increases significantly with more units/larger associations. As I mentioned, I almost got burned by that in Denver where all the buildings were shoddily built to start with, and then the owners cheaped out and let the place fall apart.

  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 17,226

    around here homeowners' associations usually have hundreds of members because they are used as arbitrage of the legal requirements to create a subdivision.

  • jesmed1
    jesmed1 Member Posts: 1,487

    I guess that makes sense in areas where there's enough open land for a developer to build a complex with a few hundred units. In the near-Boston area, what usually happens is a small investor buys a triple-decker from the family that has owned it for 50+ years, and maybe has rented one or two of the units out for income. Then the developer rehabs the building and files the legal papers to convert it into 3 condo units. There are probably tens of thousands of such "associations" within 15 miles of downtown Boston.

  • jumper
    jumper Member Posts: 2,576

    Getting back to Marylander: 300 units @ $100 per month ought to buy strong security. But if local or state authorities thwart security…….. My experience with associations is that too many members are unrealistic.

  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 17,226

    i think the ultimate problem is that the property isn't worth what it would cost to fix it.

    you could truck in temporary heat to fulfill the housing ordinance requirement and that wouldn't cost 2.5 million.

    the problem with noresidents on the property didn't just start yesterday, you're not going to fix that overnight and you certainly aren't going to fix it if you think it is the police and the condo association's problem.

  • jumper
    jumper Member Posts: 2,576

    Well that county in that state is going to evict the condo residents for their own good. But it couldn't/wouldn't evict those folks without homes?

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