WATER TEMP WHEN HYDRONIC SYSTEM IS NOT RUNNING
Hi. I'm looking for info about how hydronic heat systems should work.
I've read several articles online stating the lowest temperature water should reach in hydronic heating system is 140F to prevent flue gas condensation that can damage the boiler and reduce efficiency.
I have a hydronic oil-fired hot water radiator heat system in my house. The boiler system is for heat only. There is a separate hot water tank.
I typically let the house cool off overnight. During that time the boiler does not run. The water temp measured by the Hydrostat has gone as low as 64F.
Q1: Are these articles suggesting the boiler should run to maintain water temp of 140F even when the system is not operating/when there is no demand for heat?
Secondly, the Hydrostat recently indicated it took 1hr 42 min for the system to raise water temp from 66F to 140F. During this time the outdoor temp was 46F.
Q2: Is taking 1hr 42min for the system to raise water temp from 66F to 140F acceptable operation? Is there a limit to how long a boiler should take to heat the water up to 140F?
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You can let your boiler cool down to whatever it does without issues. The trick is for the boiler water temperature to increase above the dew of the flue gas to prevent condensation AND dry off the heat exchanger from any flue gases that did condense until the water temperature increased to above the dew point of the flue gases when running. The manufactures and the engineers say that the boiler water temperature below 140, give or take, is when condensation will occur in a cast iron boiler.
Now as far as running a boiler for 1hr 42 minutes is insane and does create another set of issues. i'm going to assume you have a big house with big radiators. This means that you most likely will never need 140 degree water to satisfy the space temperature. this is an assumption because you did not state the type of emitters your using. if this is the case you should have a system bypass installed at the boiler that will redirect some of the supply water back into the boilerso the water in the boiler will increase to prevent condensation.
you did not give enough info but enough to pretty much say what we are discussing
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pedmec:
Thanks for the info.
My house is 100 yrs old with cast iron radiators that are water, not steam. Thhe house is 2300 sq ft, no insulation on system pipes, no insulation in walls, old windows with old storms.
Regarding your comment about the boiler running 1hr 42 min, the boiler does have the system bypass installed that redirects some of the supply water back into the boiler.
Should the system with the system bypass installed have run 1hr 42 min? Is that an issue?
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Yeah, that is a very long time. Like i said it could be a simple explanation. Oversized radiators, old gravity system with unbelievable amounts of water, boiler too small, etc. You need to provide more info to get a better picture of what you have. its all just an educated guess.
Pics of your system would be nice
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The original heating system was gravity. Boy, that was quiet when running.
The pipes to and from the radiators buried in walls, etc. are original to the house.
The new boiler was tied into the old gravity system with new copper pipes.
I believe the boiler is correctly sized.
Side Comment: I tried to change the title of my post-to change the capital letters to lower case. The edit failed. Sorry.
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I had an old converted gravity hot water system like that, from 1927. The oil burner was oversized for the heat loss of the house, but it would still take 2 1/2 hours to come from 60 up to 68° F on a cold morning. The boiler temperature never exceeded 150° F. there was no bypass, but the boiler was old and didn't seem affected by the condensation. Then with the huge radiators all warmed up it would stay hot for many hours.
This is normal operation for that type of system.
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If you are using the circulator hold off feature on the hydrostat, then you have nothing to worry about.
But although your run time is fine for a system with that much water content, the boiler temp should be getting up quickly to and above 140, then probably hovering around there until the call for heat is satisfied. Regular calls for heat after the first call will probably run at a higher temp.
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Chances are your Hydrostat hold-off for the circulator is not doing very much. With a gravity system design, you are likely getting thermosiphoning (gravity flow) even without the pump running.
Your new boiler needs to reach a return water temperature of approximately 135° to 140°F within the first 6 to 10 minutes of operation to prevent prolonged flue gas condensation. Every boiler will form some condensation on cold metal surfaces during startup. What matters is how long that condensation persists—you want that period to be as short as possible.
Boiler water starting at 60°–70°F (typical basement temperature) for ten minutes is not a problem, even if the burner runs for over an hour. As the boiler heats up, the flue gases will begin to evaporate any initial condensation once the internal surfaces reach a high enough temperature.
However, if the boiler water remains at or below 120°F for extended periods—such as during long morning run cycles—condensation will continue forming the entire time the burner is operating. This can significantly shorten the life of the boiler.
You should check the return water temperature at the boiler inlet (approximately 12 inches from the connection) to see how quickly it reaches 140°F. If it takes more than 10 minutes, a system redesign may be needed. If the return temperature reaches 140°F within that time, the system is likely piped correctly and should not be a concern.
Edward Young Retired
After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?
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