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Hooked up a dishwasher for my nephew. Maytag label on the front door. Paperwork says Whirlpool which is also Kitchin Aid.
The inside is a dead ringer for the Kitchen Aid I installed in our condo 3 years ago. Just different controls on the door.
While I was laying on my back under the kitchen sink hooking up the DW drain I noticed the cord on the Insinkerator 750 PRO disposal (about 4 years old) was falling out of the disposal. Well, guess I might as well fix that too.
Guess I have been away too long as all the disposals I ever wired had a little junction box with 3 wires in (or 2 with a ground screw) it and a knockout and you either used a cord or hardwired it and connected it with wire nuts.
No more.
This thing has a rinky dink plastic connector that plugs on to the motor terminals and then the field wires plug into the other side of the connector…..like backstabbing a receptacle. How do you plug stranded wire into a backstabbed receptacle type connector ???…..you don't.
I knew something wasn't right.
When I got home I looked it up on line. The connector that come with the disposal is for hardwired only so you can plug solid NM or AC cable into it.
If you want to use a cord you have to go to HD etc and for $17 you buy the "Insinkerator Eazy Connect factory cord" which come with a plastic connector on the end to fit the motor connections.
The guy that originally installed it just tried to push the stranded wire into the connector with the backstab type spring clips. Didn't work.
Insinkerator say this was done to "help" diy homeowners wire their disposals. ……………..Not if they can't read the instructions. And Neither did the plumber who got paid to install it.
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Instructions? We don't need no stinkin' instructions!
Edward Young Retired
After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?
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you can backstab stranded wire if you tin it so it is one solid piece.
moen distributes waste king. i have a kitchenaid branded ise that is the all stainless model that is good but it is 10 years old. i wonder if they all have the questionable power connector or just the model that is sold so builders can say it has a disposal but was never intended to be used to grind up food.
i would expect whirlpool, kitchenaid, and maytag to all be the same model. they stopped making the hobart made kitchenaids 35-40 years ago.
i'd pick a bosch or miele if i were to buy a new dishwasher. whirlpool is probably ok if you pick the right model.
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nope they all look sketchy. could you just crimp some 1/4" qc connectors on the cord?
or wire nut some solid wire to it and jam it inside.
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Weather using a cord or hardwired its just a choice of one crappy connector over another. The motor connections do look like standard plug on connectors, not sure.
They are trying to help the homeowners who replace there own garbage disposal (and make an extra $17 in the process)
If you can't twist on a couple of wire nuts you shouldn't be doing it
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have you ever run in to a jurisdiction that actually required them to be hardwired?
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A switched receptacle under the sink for the disposal is another method I have seen in new homes. We put cords on disposals when I was doing new construction plumbing. Johnstone Supply dold disposal cord kits with nuts snd. Ird vonnectir in the bag.
A hot receptacle under the kitchen sink is handy for a HW dispenser alsoI have also seen dishwashers corded and plugged into receptacles
I’d add a receptacle behind the toilet if I were an electrician these days, bidet seats are becoming more popular.
Bob "hot rod" Rohr
trainer for Caleffi NA
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Majority of new DW come with a cord now. Be a while since I've seen a hard-wired unit
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I've never seen one with a plug?
My Bosch isn't that old... Maybe 4 years now?
Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.
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@EBEBRATT-Ed Yup! I discovered the same thing just a few months ago. It's a real pain in the a*s. And don't even get me started on the Evolution style, (I think it was called the Badge feed years ago.) Anyway, the evolution also has a collar at the waste opening that is another pain to install. Neither is easier for the DIY'er. Just ridiculous
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badger is their economy no one intended you to put food in here line. evolution are the heavy duty ones like my kitchenaid rebranded one but it uses a normal 3 screw and a snap ring mount
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Ah! Ok. I thought the badge feed was the older twist-the-tee-handle-at-the-drain-opening type and not switched at the wall.
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as far as i know that is just called "batch feed". badger are the models with steel grind components that rust and seize up and leak at the shaft seal and a white metal grind chamber that corrodes and the whole thing eventually falls off the bottom of the sink.
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I havent seen any "batch feed " disposals in a while are they still made?. AFAIK you can still either hardwire or cord connect both a disposal and a dishwasher.
Older houses usually get a disposal sw. under the sink if not wall mounted. Dishwashers now require a disconnect sw, wall mounted or under a sink. If a DW is cord and plug connected I think the plug can serve as the disconnect if easily reached. Guess it makes it easier to swap out appliances if cord and plug connected. DW limited to a 6' cord disposals are 3'.
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They do make batch feed but there are only one or 2 models that are batch feed fo each brand. And i guess there are only 2 brands, waste king and insinkerator…
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I have a "pro" version that was just below the top of the line Evolution from 2012. No idea when I'll have the fun of having to replace it. I do know it has SS grind chamber etc. I think it's 3/4hp where's the top was 1hp.
Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.
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i think the all stainless and plastic ones will outlive both of us although mine has a synthetic rubber connection to the waste arm for noise control, i assume some day I will have to replace that.
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@ChrisJ The one I posted about was the 750 Pro with the plastic plug on connector. I think it was installed during Covid so about 6 years ago.
I have a cheap Badger. Good enough. Since my GF ran banana peels through it and plugged the 1 1/2" ABS in the wall up solid and it took me 1/2 a day to fix that up including repiping the trap and I was swearing like a sailor for some strange reason it does not get used much anymore.
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similar reason my wife no longer grinds potato peel in disposal. 😂
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those badger models are intended to check a box on a real estate listing, they were not intended for someone to put food in them
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My wife dumps a ton of potato peels down ours. Decent kitchen faucet running the entire time followed by a good amount afterwards for rinsing etc. Even after 14 years I haven't seen much cholesterol in that drain and I've had it apart for various reasons.
Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.
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