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WilliamGwiazdowski
WilliamGwiazdowski Member Posts: 126
edited January 21 in Strictly Steam

Figured I would share my weekly maintenance during heating season on my Burnham V7 steamer. Blowing down the gauge glass and draining some water out of the wet return. I also test the LWCO. I do this all during a call for heat. Then when the boiler is idle, I make sure the water level is at the proper level as marked by my sharpie on the gauge glass. Gauge glass drain valve I did when I discovered it by watching videos from @Gordo and @Steamhead

https://youtube.com/shorts/D87Em-_so44?si=PmDWnNzmS1-2Xn_V

Alan (California Radiant) Forbes

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  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 8,308
    edited January 21

    nice video but that interval is far too short. You are introducing a lot of oxygen into your boiler doing that weekly.

    If you’re concerned about mud stacking up, boost your pH. Even a little makes a huge difference and you can drain that much annually instead of weekly.

    But even with untreated water, weekly is far too often

    Edit: especially owning a Burnham

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  • WilliamGwiazdowski
    WilliamGwiazdowski Member Posts: 126

    I appreciate the advice Paul !

    ethicalpaul
  • WilliamGwiazdowski
    WilliamGwiazdowski Member Posts: 126

    How often should I be blowing down the gauge glass and draining some out of the wet return then?

  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 8,308

    As little as possible. I would say if you are draining some and it comes out clear then you did it too early

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  • WilliamGwiazdowski
    WilliamGwiazdowski Member Posts: 126

    Appreciate the info

    ethicalpaul
  • Captain Who
    Captain Who Member Posts: 504
    edited January 21

    Are you very familiar with your system or is it a new house for you? How long have you owned it and how has it been operating for you? If my returns in my 100 year old single pipe system were clear like yours I don't think I would be doing it at all, or maybe just check monthly for a while and if they were still clear, check every few months etc. You only need to remove a very small amount to check.

    Definitely do pH control. I am using Rectorseal 8-way at up to 2 oz. per gallon. I'm trying to keep my pH between 9.5 and 10 but I have an improperly piped boiler with copper which can corrode at higher pH and I have near boiler piping issues that make me prone to wet steam/carryover so I especially want to avoid higher pH which could cause foaming, especially with the rust particulates I get.

    I don't think anybody should really tell you not to remove a few thimblefuls of water from your sight glass when it looks as muddy as that (edit - after watching your video that water was super clear compared to mine), at least without knowing what the TSS (total suspended solids) reading is as well as how your boiler tends to operate with respect to: does the sight glass surge up and down, does it plummet too low during steaming, etc.. Once you get TSS up around 30 to 50 ppm you are getting in the danger zone for wet steam/carryover and over 50 would be high risk. It all depends upon how your system behaves and how good of an installation it is. Since you have a two pipe vapor system maybe it is much more well behaved than my single pipe system is. OK to drain a smidge now and then from the sight glass to make sure it is reading correctly but it is better for getting sludge and particulates out, to drain from the boiler drain down lower, and with a full port drain valve rather than the crummy one the boiler comes with.

    Does your makeup water come from the hot side of your water heater? Because that should be less full of air than cold tap water would be. I use preboiled distilled water for makeup water but I am learning that too pure water can cause problems for some people if their whole boiler is filled with it due to too low TDS possibly causing explosive super heated boiling which can contribute to surging and possibly wet steam/carryover. Should be in the range of 1000 to 2000 ppm. Probably depends upon how excellent their near boiler piping is as well. I think it is working fine for me to use all distilled water but that could be because my boiler is 21 years old and has scale or something, that may be adding to TDS. I need to get a TDS meter.

    Oh and I watched your video. How often are you checking the LWCO? Weekly? What is your procedure? If you are draining that much water and putting the same amount of hot tap water back into the boiler, then you most definitely will be adding too much fresh oxygenated untreated water. I hear some people on youtube like Mikey Pipes saying to do that monthly, but they just let the water feeder add fresh water to fill back up. I think that's insane, in general, and depending upon the particulars, like is there an extreme TSS problem from the piping etc...

    Corktown
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 19,840

    I think MM recommends blowing down a float type LWCO weekly.

  • Captain Who
    Captain Who Member Posts: 504
    edited January 22

    I would recommend replacing the boiler drain with a full port drain valve such as this one that I got:

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XZG7SQN?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title

  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 8,308

    The poster has a probe type LWCO and is blowing down his gauge glass and draining a little out of his wet return weekly

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  • BobC
    BobC Member Posts: 5,549

    My Smith G8 was installed in 2013 with a Carlin G8 gas gun. From the get go I have used Steam Master tablets to treat the water. I keep the PH between 8 and 10 and the water in mt sight glass has zero rust and the boiler drain nearly so. I frain some water every few months more to keep the valves happy.

    They stopped making those tabs years ago but they really so work, 8 way does about the same, key is to ise about 1/4 what they tell you after an initial full dose putge.

    Bob

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  • AdmiralYoda
    AdmiralYoda Member Posts: 749

    @Captain Who I think 2oz per gallon of 8-way might be a little excessive, at least in my boiler. I have a 10 gallon capacity (spec sheet, not measured) and I use 0.75-1oz per gallon. I usually just use a 1-cup measuring cup. It gets my pH to 10-10.5 and the water is a light purple.

    My Peerless boiler is 45 years old and produces zero mud and drains clear when I do blow-downs.

  • Captain Who
    Captain Who Member Posts: 504
    edited January 22

    Right. It is way over what they say to use. I check my pH with Hydrion Paper and shoot for 9.5 to 10.0. I didn't check it yet after recently flushing and draining and treating. I seem to need more than they say to get my pH in range, even with pre-boiled and re-bottled distilled water (shouldn't have much dissolved Co2 which would give some carbonic acidity). Will drain some out and put straight distilled in if need be to adjust soon.

    AdmiralYoda
  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 8,308

    8-way has a pH buffering agent, so you are kind of at its mercy regarding your pH level when you use it.

    And that is fine, they engineered it to keep you at a reasonable pH.

    But if you try to remove a little boiler water and add fresh water in an effort to lower the pH slightly, you may not find success. The buffering agent will keep it at a certain level even when the 8-Way is less than directed, or more than directed.

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  • WilliamGwiazdowski
    WilliamGwiazdowski Member Posts: 126

    been here 30 years now, boiler was installed October 1998. To test the LWCO I'm just pushing the test button, and I have a 2 pipe vapor / vacuum system here. I'll definitely have to get some pH test strips to see where I'm at. Make up water comes from the cold supply to the house which is well water. No treatment on the well water other than a medium sediment filter.