Low limit setting question
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I recently had a new Crown boiler installed and my plumber is coming Monday to go over everything with me. So far house is heating nicely. I’ve noticed that the boiler will fire every 20 to 30 minutes to keep the water temperature at 130. Is it supposed to run this often? I’ve been paying attention to the thermostat and it rarely calls for heat. Is the low setting necessary? I feel like it’s wasting fuel maintaining water temperature. I also noticed on the aqua stat the switch is set for indirect heat instead of zone heat. Is this the reason the boiler is firing so much? Here is a picture of the boiler information. I have hot water heat with cast iron radiators. I have a separate gas hot water heater for domestic hot water.Thanks for any insight
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ok thanks that’s what I thought I will discuss this with him. I was reading that some boilers require to be maintained at a certain temperature to prevent corrosion is this true for all boilers?
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If you don't have a tankless coil in the boiler for hot water, it is always preferable to operate the boiler as cold start. It only starts and climbs to the setpoint when the thermostat(s) call. Otherwise it does not run.
Also, the "plumber" probably will set the limit at 180°F. Tell him to lower it to 165°F and see how it works out for you. Be sure to have him show you how he lowered it to 165°F. Ignore any crying by the plumber that it won't heat the house and you will be cold.
In the shoulder seasons, you probably can lower it to 150°F.
It all saves oil………..a bit at a time.
Just for your own info………….he installed a boiler that is capable of heating a 6000 square foot house when the outdoor temperature is 0°F. If you have a typical building with 2500 square feet, this boiler is way too large and will cycle endlessly.
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thank you for that information I will discuss all of this with him
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Just as a curiosity………….how many square feet in this house and where is it located?
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Find your thermostat instructions and make sure the differential, or swing, is set to 1.0 degrees minimum. If set lower, boiler will also short cycle, which is inefficient. You want long boiler runs spaced as far apart time-wise as is comfortable. I have the differentials on our ecobee set to 1.5 degrees, and with a similar system (oversized cast iron boiler, cast iron rads) our boiler runs about 45 minutes at a time, with about 3-4 hrs between runs (in Boston area).
And if it makes you feel better, our boiler is also 3x the size we need.
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during a cycle the return water should be above about 130-140f during most of the cycle. it does not need to stay hot between cycles. with a high mass system like a converted gravity system there needs to be some sort of return water temp protection on the boiler, either a thermostatic bypass or a fixed bypass valve to keep the return water temp up.
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This poster has another thread with a pic of the near boiler piping. I can't be sure but it does look like there is a bypass.
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2500 square feet I’m in NY
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2500 X a WAG 20 btu/ sq ft = 50,000 btu/hr boiler size.
What type of heat emitters? Copper fin tube, cast radiators, other?
Bob "hot rod" Rohr
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cast radiators
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Your heatloss on the coldest day of the year is conservatively estimated at 70,000 BTUH. Others will suggest LESS!
So you have to ask this plumber why in the hell he would install a boiler that can deliver 158,000 BTUH!
It's going to be very difficult to manage this boiler and gain the efficiency you deserve.
Presuming he's NOT going to change it to a smaller boiler:
Ask him if he has a combustion analyzer and knows how to use it. If so, ask him to do the following:
Change the nozzle to 1 gallon per hour.
Use the combustion analyzer to verify proper CO, and CO2 readings, stack temperature (must remain over 350F), and perform a smoke test on it.
The boiler is still significantly oversized after this change but every little bit helps.
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ok thanks I will. I believe the nozzle that is in there now is 1 gallon per hour
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Maybe the flow valve is open, or missing, and giving gravity heat. That might also explain the Tstat not calling much.
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