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Low limit setting question

jakamini
jakamini Member Posts: 20
edited February 15 in Oil Heating

I recently had a new Crown boiler installed and my plumber is coming Monday to go over everything with me. So far house is heating nicely. I’ve noticed that the boiler will fire every 20 to 30 minutes to keep the water temperature at 130. Is it supposed to run this often? I’ve been paying attention to the thermostat and it rarely calls for heat. Is the low setting necessary? I feel like it’s wasting fuel maintaining water temperature. I also noticed on the aqua stat the switch is set for indirect heat instead of zone heat. Is this the reason the boiler is firing so much? Here is a picture of the boiler information. I have hot water heat with cast iron radiators. I have a separate gas hot water heater for domestic hot water.Thanks for any insight

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  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 11,667

    the aquastat should be set for cold start. it is currently set for warm stat which you would only need if you had a tankless coil which you don't.

    jakamini
  • jakamini
    jakamini Member Posts: 20

    ok thanks that’s what I thought I will discuss this with him. I was reading that some boilers require to be maintained at a certain temperature to prevent corrosion is this true for all boilers?

  • LRCCBJ
    LRCCBJ Member Posts: 830
    edited February 15

    If you don't have a tankless coil in the boiler for hot water, it is always preferable to operate the boiler as cold start. It only starts and climbs to the setpoint when the thermostat(s) call. Otherwise it does not run.

    Also, the "plumber" probably will set the limit at 180°F. Tell him to lower it to 165°F and see how it works out for you. Be sure to have him show you how he lowered it to 165°F. Ignore any crying by the plumber that it won't heat the house and you will be cold.

    In the shoulder seasons, you probably can lower it to 150°F.

    It all saves oil………..a bit at a time.

    Just for your own info………….he installed a boiler that is capable of heating a 6000 square foot house when the outdoor temperature is 0°F. If you have a typical building with 2500 square feet, this boiler is way too large and will cycle endlessly.

    jakaminijesmed1
  • jakamini
    jakamini Member Posts: 20

    thank you for that information I will discuss all of this with him

  • LRCCBJ
    LRCCBJ Member Posts: 830
    edited February 15

    I can't wait to hear the response.

    Predicted: No Mr. Jakamini, this is the proper size boiler for your house. Those people online don't know WT-F they are talking about. I have been doing this for 30 years and NOBODY ever complained about a boiler being TOO LARGE for their house.😫

    jakaminijesmed1
  • LRCCBJ
    LRCCBJ Member Posts: 830

    Just as a curiosity………….how many square feet in this house and where is it located?

  • jesmed1
    jesmed1 Member Posts: 997
    edited February 15

    Find your thermostat instructions and make sure the differential, or swing, is set to 1.0 degrees minimum. If set lower, boiler will also short cycle, which is inefficient. You want long boiler runs spaced as far apart time-wise as is comfortable. I have the differentials on our ecobee set to 1.5 degrees, and with a similar system (oversized cast iron boiler, cast iron rads) our boiler runs about 45 minutes at a time, with about 3-4 hrs between runs (in Boston area).

    And if it makes you feel better, our boiler is also 3x the size we need.

    jakamini
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 11,667

    during a cycle the return water should be above about 130-140f during most of the cycle. it does not need to stay hot between cycles. with a high mass system like a converted gravity system there needs to be some sort of return water temp protection on the boiler, either a thermostatic bypass or a fixed bypass valve to keep the return water temp up.

  • jesmed1
    jesmed1 Member Posts: 997

    This poster has another thread with a pic of the near boiler piping. I can't be sure but it does look like there is a bypass.

  • kcopp
    kcopp Member Posts: 4,514

    Why the 2nd post?

    mattmia2
  • jakamini
    jakamini Member Posts: 20
    edited February 15
  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 24,390

    2500 X a WAG 20 btu/ sq ft = 50,000 btu/hr boiler size.

    What type of heat emitters? Copper fin tube, cast radiators, other?

    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
  • HVACNUT
    HVACNUT Member Posts: 6,568

    Grossly oversized.

    Is the aquastat the Hydrostat 3250 Plus? If so, read the manual. Use every fuel saving option it offers. It does have condensate protection, but it needs to be activated.

    jakamini
  • LRCCBJ
    LRCCBJ Member Posts: 830
    edited February 16

    Your heatloss on the coldest day of the year is conservatively estimated at 70,000 BTUH. Others will suggest LESS!

    So you have to ask this plumber why in the hell he would install a boiler that can deliver 158,000 BTUH!

    It's going to be very difficult to manage this boiler and gain the efficiency you deserve.

    Presuming he's NOT going to change it to a smaller boiler:

    Ask him if he has a combustion analyzer and knows how to use it. If so, ask him to do the following:

    Change the nozzle to 1 gallon per hour.

    Use the combustion analyzer to verify proper CO, and CO2 readings, stack temperature (must remain over 350F), and perform a smoke test on it.

    The boiler is still significantly oversized after this change but every little bit helps.

  • jakamini
    jakamini Member Posts: 20

    ok thanks I will. I believe the nozzle that is in there now is 1 gallon per hour

  • LRCCBJ
    LRCCBJ Member Posts: 830

    Well, that is a good start. The net output of the boiler is now approx. 102,000. Not the 70,000 that you need but manageable. See if he has any readings from the combustion analyzer (if he has one) when it was installed.

    jakamini
  • techforlife
    techforlife Member Posts: 36

    Maybe the flow valve is open, or missing, and giving gravity heat. That might also explain the Tstat not calling much.