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Chimney Liner- SS or Ti?

Cyclist77
Cyclist77 Member Posts: 110
in Chimneys & Flues

As I explore liners I see 2 material choices. SS or Ti.

Thoughts on which one? It c would be for NG boiler.

Comments

  • delcrossv
    delcrossv Member Posts: 1,872

    Titanium? Really? Maybe Al?

    Trying to squeeze the best out of a Weil-McLain JB-5 running a 1912 1 pipe system.
    ethicalpaulmattmia2
  • Intplm.
    Intplm. Member Posts: 2,416

    the manufacturers requirements are best.

  • yellowdog
    yellowdog Member Posts: 242

    Ti is not a titanium liner. It is stainless steel/titanium alloy.

    316Ti (UNS S31635) is a titanium stabilised version of 316 molybdenum-bearing austenitic stainless steel. The 316 alloys are more resistant to general corrosion and pitting/crevice corrosion than the conventional chromium-nickel austenitic stainless steels such as 304. They also offer higher creep, stress-rupture and tensile strength at elevated temperature. High carbon Alloy 316 stainless steel can be susceptible to sensitisation, the formation of grain boundary chromium carbides at temperatures between approximately 900 and 1500°F (425 to 815°C) which can result in intergranular corrosion.

    Resistance to sensitisation is achieved in Alloy 316Ti with titanium additions to stabilise the structure against chromium carbide precipitation, which is the source of sensitisation. This stabilisation is achieved by an intermediate temperature heat treatment, during which the titanium reacts with carbon to form titanium carbides. This significantly reduces susceptibility to sensitisation in service by limiting the formation of chromium carbides. Thus, the alloy can be used for extended periods at elevated temperatures without compromising its corrosion resistance. 316Ti has equvilent corrosion resistance to sensitisation as the low carbon version 316L.

    delcrossvmattmia2GGrossbburd
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 11,610
    https://forum.heatinghelp.com/discussion/comment/1840988#Comment_1840988

    isn't the stack temp of modern gas appliances more like 500f? seems unnecessary for a modern properly operating gas appliance.

    delcrossv
  • Cyclist77
    Cyclist77 Member Posts: 110

    Yellowdog,thanks for clarifying this! So I am thinking that 316L Stainless Steel will be fine.

  • Bob Harper
    Bob Harper Member Posts: 1,099

    316Ti is the most common alloy in liners currently. It can be used for CAT I gas, oil, wood and even coal (if hard, low sulfur).

    316L is also used for heavier wall flex liners and smoothwall. It's also a little easier to drill. Don't use plain old 304 for gas- it does not possess the corrosion resistance needed. Same for most 400 series of stainless. There are some proprietary super ferritic alloys that perform well in hostile environments.

    Type AL29-4c is too stiff to make into liner but performs well as rigid liner. It is used for CAT IV condensing gas appliances and pellet stoves.

    The intergranular corrosion Yellowdoggie referred to is really only a problem with a creosote fire from wood burning. Otherwise, you're pretty much under those temps.

    delcrossv
  • Intplm.
    Intplm. Member Posts: 2,416

    Either one. But with this type of thing I defer to the manufacturers suggestion. Its the safest best bet.

  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 24,332

    A L is for Allegheny Ludlum the company that developed the unique alloy

    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
    delcrossvBob Harper

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