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HVAC Heat Shortcycling

osprey12
osprey12 Member Posts: 11

Hello,

New member here and I’m looking help from this group.

Trane XE 80 Natural Gas.

My HVAC starts the heat and brurner shut down randomly and fan keep running for an hour and blowing cold air and some time it run perfectly fine and complete the thermostat cycle

I cleaned the flame sensor, replaced the limit switch, replace the ignitor.

My HVAC came he checked few things here and there and suggest to replace the heater 😌

Any idea what I need to check. Gas Valve, Pressure Swith, circuit board or any other sugg

Comments

  • 109A_5
    109A_5 Member Posts: 2,138

    Maybe this video will help you a bit, not the greatest IMO, but maybe better than nothing. Looks like his gas valve was failing but he never measured the voltage applied to it.

    What does your flashing error code indicate ?

    https://youtu.be/5jZBFqZdlFw

    National - U.S. Gas Boiler 45+ Years Old
    Steam 300 SQ. FT. - EDR 347
    One Pipe System
    osprey12
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 17,188

    Get a real technician. The one you have has no clue. Any GOOD technician can find the problem. It's easy for him to say replace the furnace because he doesn't have a clue what is wrong.

    LRCCBJGGross
  • HVACNUT
    HVACNUT Member Posts: 6,580

    It sounds like a one hour lockout. There should be a code while the fan is blowing cold. Time to break out the thermometers and manometers.

    osprey12
  • pecmsg
    pecmsg Member Posts: 5,709

    My HVAC came he checked few things here and there and suggest to replace the heater 

    Another Salesman!

    Find a different service provider.

    Where are you located?

    osprey12
  • osprey12
    osprey12 Member Posts: 11
    edited January 28

    Problem is that they charged for a single visit. I agree with all the comment he was just a salesman.

    Forgot to mention i’m getting 9 flashes when furnace short cycle otherwise if its stops when thermostat reaches the heat normal flashes.

    I checked the hour lock out and that’s not the case.

    Thanks for all your feedback. I’m thinking to replace the board. This is 20 years old unit.

  • pecmsg
    pecmsg Member Posts: 5,709

    Thats a problem between you and the contractor. I would put it on a CC then dispute the charge!

    Call and complain.

    Sounds like one of the low special contractors that just want to get a foot in the door to sell.

    LRCCBJGraham_2024osprey12
  • 109A_5
    109A_5 Member Posts: 2,138

    9 flashes does not seem to be on the error code list, so it may be the control board, its not happy with its self. It may be failing solder joints on the board.

    National - U.S. Gas Boiler 45+ Years Old
    Steam 300 SQ. FT. - EDR 347
    One Pipe System
    osprey12
  • clammy
    clammy Member Posts: 3,208

    Have you changed your air filter and ensure that all supply registers and dampers are open . Had the same thing happen to a friend recently another company suggested to replace the furnace because it was old 11years old installed by them . Ended up his filter which they said was clean was packed replaced it and all was good higher end aprilaire electronic air cleaner of course w the wires broken and filter packed again installed and serviced by them for 10 years never changed filter never clean condenser service agreement lol . They also stated that the unit must be leaking because of water marks near the burner it was really the fact they never insulated the suction line which for 10 years of them servicing every service guy was to lazy to put a piece of insulation on the suction line total hacks ,They have been suggesting replacement when the unit hit 11 years old gotta keep the revenue coming in i guess also when they installed they never did a chimney liner i had alert my friend of it and he blew it off for a few years until his chimney was falling apart and i reminded him and he had it lined .They where so good and trained as they state in every ad they run w nate trained employees (lol money grab bs er) that they wired the eac straight up powered all the time after it was first put in i walked in the door and could smell the ozone it produces alert him of the issue being his wife and daughter have respiratory issues . I took a closer look and saw that it was wired directly not to the provided eac terminals on the furnace. The bonus was that being it was total there mistake they wiped out a few grand that he owned them being they realized they where in a legal pickle for the neglect especially since the eac had a huge orange label on it stating that it produced ozone and should only be powered when the blower is operating , This was and is a large franchise company advertising everywhere pretty much in a lot of states and all i could say was yeah i work for myself instead of working for money hungry idiots . And another note there prices for a cold call service call are way to cheap for a real service men but it's about right for a salemens, also they always offer service maintenance contracts most are all bull and most of the time they do absolutely zip. I surely know your noy getting me out bed for 79 to 119 bucks all you would hear is a ring tone my time is worth more then that . You most likely would be in the same boat w public utilities worry free what me worry quote alfred e newman

    peace and good luck clammy

    R.A. Calmbacher L.L.C. HVAC
    NJ Master HVAC Lic.
    Mahwah, NJ
    Specializing in steam and hydronic heating

    osprey12LRCCBJdelcrossv
  • mikeapolis
    mikeapolis Member Posts: 48

    20 year old furnace, have a technician with a good camera inspect that heat exchanger before you start throwing parts at it.

    *A "9 flash code" on a Trane XE 80 furnace typically indicates an issue with the igniter, meaning you should check the igniter circuit for potential problems like a faulty igniter itself or a poor connection to the circuit board

    clammyosprey12
  • osprey12
    osprey12 Member Posts: 11

    I replaced the ignitor. Ignitor work and starts the burner. Burners stay on for 30 - 60 seconds before they turned off. If its pass 1 minutes they keep running until the thermostat temperature not reached.

  • osprey12
    osprey12 Member Posts: 11

    9 flashes - Check Ignitor.

    I replaced the Ignitor and its Same. In fact the ignitor did it job all the time and starts the burners. It burners that they turned off after 30-60 seconds they start and sometime if i’m lucky they complete the cycle.

  • osprey12
    osprey12 Member Posts: 11

    Next i’m thinking to replace the board. It easy I can do myself and acaxt one available online but preferred some expert to replace.

  • osprey12
    osprey12 Member Posts: 11

    i agree and after your message I called them again and request to come back and this time send the real guy and not the salesman. They agreed for the second visit no charge to me. Thanks

  • pedmec
    pedmec Member Posts: 1,168

    Replace the board. it controls all functions of the systems and if it goes haywire like its doing its most likely bad.

    Graham_2024
  • osprey12
    osprey12 Member Posts: 11

    9 flashes - check ignitor. Ignitor is doing its job. Burner stops randomly after few second if works they run for the complete cycle.

    It seems to me these flashes are misleading or an issue with the board.

  • osprey12
    osprey12 Member Posts: 11
    edited January 28

    salesman came today again and he told me by looking the symptoms that you need a board replacement and it will cost $$$$ and you can better replace only heat for $$$$.

  • HeatingHelp.com
    HeatingHelp.com Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 117

    @osprey12 Thanks for reaching out to our knowledgeable community here for help. This is just a reminder that we prohibit posting job pricing and estimate pricing on here. I've edited them out of your post.

    Forum Moderator

  • osprey12
    osprey12 Member Posts: 11
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  • osprey12
    osprey12 Member Posts: 11

    thank you everyone for your help. I replaced the circuit board that solves my problem. Short cycling was the reason of the bad board.

    Grallert