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How do you know your boiler is done for? And how do you plan for replacement?

bipbap
bipbap Member Posts: 211
edited January 18 in Strictly Steam

Just wondering, is a slow death of leaks or does it just quit and you’ve got no heat at all? What are the signs?

And how do you plan for replacement? Can you patch it up to get to the offseason or are you forced to figure it all out in hours so your pipes don’t freeze?

It seems like replacement is an opportunity to repipe things that might have been done wrong previously and also reevaluate what boiler size you really need- but do people just rush to figure this all out within hours of losing heat?

Or does it make sense to get a quote or two and talk replacement options once you get past a certain amount of years?

Ok I just got lots of questions tonight and no answers. Thanks for any advice!

And we’re at 30 years with our Weil-McLain boiler (photo attached), how long do these usually last?

Comments

  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Member Posts: 25,358

    Steam. You're in luck… it's rare for a boiler to fail catastrophically (piping can, but rarely a boiler). Usually they will give you some warning — sometimes a lot of warning — and what you will see is an increase in water usage. You may also see steam escaping from the chimney.

    Now this isn't really good — but the good news is that steam systems can run on absurdly low pressure, so even if you are losing a lot of water and the leak is really gross, you can still run the old thing and get enough time to organise a replacement.

    You don't really want to do that if the leak is from the steam side to the boiler room — the humidity can do some damage — but even then it's not an instant no heat situation.

    Now you can evaluate what size boiler you need pretty much any time, at your leisure. That's because steam boilers are sized to match the connected radiation, and that — usually — isn't going to change. So take some time any time and write down what you have for radiators and their ratings and add them up.

    Replacing a boiler is an excellent time to work on odd piping — but keep in mind that all steam boilers have a recommended minimum piping arrangement for the near boiler piping, so you are really only concerned about weird things elsewhere.

    It doesn't hurt to establish a relationship with a good steam boiler man in advance. You need one anyway, to maintain what you have correctly. Might as well start now… but there's no need to get a quote on a replacement until you need one. Prices — and available equipment — just change too fast.

    Br. Jamie, osb
    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England
    RTW
  • bburd
    bburd Member Posts: 1,101

    Does the system heat evenly and quietly? Your near-boiler piping has the classic "colliding header" mistake.


    Bburd
    tcassano87
  • Long Beach Ed
    Long Beach Ed Member Posts: 1,460
    edited January 18

    What bburd refers to is the location of the takeoffs to the mains from the horizontal header above the boiler. That header is fed from two risers from the boiler. When the mains are connected between the two risers, steam tends to "collide" in the middle of the header. Best practice is to pipe the mains into the header after both steam risers from the boiler.

    What you have can cause undue turbulence can slow flow and create velocity issues. It's usually not a major problem and sometimes no problem at all. Sometimes, along with other issues it can be detrimental. Just not good practice.

    In general, your system looks piped better than most.

    I sent you a message on checking that boiler for leaks, AJ.

  • dabrakeman
    dabrakeman Member Posts: 677

    "- but do people just rush to figure this all out within hours of losing heat?"

    Unfortunately yes, but you are WAAAAY ahead of the game just getting on this forum while everything is still functional. "Most" just call a local HVAC guy upon a no heat situation or some gross steam or water leak and usually that guy knows very little but pretends to know a lot and the homeowner spends tons of money for something oversized and piped wrong.

    As mentioned right now do the math and know what size boiler you will really need and start searching for a potential contractor in the area. Finding someone that actually knows steam well is the often the most time consuming and crucial step come the time when replacement needed so best to have that already done. Start with the Find a Contractor link on this site or if you tell us where you are some folks here may already have some recommendations. If you have someone in for an evaluation see if they resize your boiler based upon totalling the sqft of the connected radiation. Ask them if your piping is correct and see if they mention the colliding header. If they don't pass these very basic tests move on.

  • bburd
    bburd Member Posts: 1,101

    You have come to the right place. It doesn't have to be that way, and we can help you get it fixed properly.


    Bburd
  • bipbap
    bipbap Member Posts: 211

    Yeah I really appreciate this site, I’ve learned a lot!

    So is 30 years about the life expectancy of a boiler like this?

  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Member Posts: 25,358

    How big is a box? Actually, that's a good life for a boiler — but a well cared for one, particularly an older one, can last longer than that. Sometimes a lot longer. On the other hand, a more modern, more efficient boiler — with lighter and thinner castings — operating on poorer water quality, or with leaks in the system, may only last half as long.

    Br. Jamie, osb
    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England
    RTWLong Beach Ed