Nice radiators in this house
and it's way older than 1936:
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Fieldstone basement, plumbing added after construction, sawn lumber framing. Lath and plaster walls, lots of small rooms with no apparent purpose. I'd say late 19th century.
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I'd agree with @Mad Dog_2 and @DCContrarian on the date, though the heating system may be newer. Could use some work, but hey — nice place for a small family!
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Looks to me like the fireplaces were the original heat and the radiators were added on later.
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nice house as long as you cope with tbe constant traffic noise. Just imagine it as ocean waves breaking.
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Here it is on Zillow. They say 1895. 35 photos, many with radiators. No boiler photo.
Built in cabinets, exposed ductwork, and an ornate radiator.
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For the refrigeration Wallies:
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And one more. Ductwork in closet and hydronic piping going from radiator to floor above. One pipe steam?
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My guess was right in there in age. You can get used to anything...Living next to the El (elevated train lines), Next to a highway, airport...Mad Dog
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yes, looks like steam. @Mad Dog_2 remarked on the undersized copper header in a previous post.
The HVAC in attic is a mess. Looks like a my house when I first bought it. Replaced with spacepak mini-duct with plenum and feed tubes buried in the floor. No more monster in the attic. 😎1 -
Yup- and the way that rad is piped, the steam was definitely retrofitted.
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That's interesting @Steamhead . I wonder how the home was heated when it was new? If the zillow build date of 1895 is correct, seems late for wood and coal stoves. Maybe the house is older than 1895, or maybe the builders liked pot belly stoves?
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When it was built it would have been out in the boonies, technology takes longer to get to remote areas. In 1895 they wouldn't have had electricity, which means they didn't have running water most likely. It's possible to do central heat without electricity or running water, but it's harder. I'm thinking they burned coal in stoves.
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Looking at the pictures, that house looks like it would be a nightmare to heat and cool. Expensive, and uncomfortable. It looks like there is no insulation anywhere, and adding it is not going to be simple because it was built without a thought toward insulation. The only practical way to add it is probably to gut the interior and start over.
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My Farmhouse was built between 1899-1900, and each floor had a Pot-Belly stove for heat. Steam went in later. Mad Dog
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My 1860s house has very little insulation and yet thanks to cast iron radiators it's very comfortable.
Yes it would be better if it was less drafty and had better insulation but it's far from uncomfortable. In fact thanks to the Eco steam and TRVs you generally can't tell if it's 0 or 40 outside other than where the cat is sleeping.
Now get rid of those radiators and it'll be a different game. One I'm not interested in playing.
Original heating in my case was 2 stoves on the second floor and not sure what on the first. It looks like a stove was in the basement with vents in the floor though. Kitchen obviously had a stove as well
Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.
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The building Cedric lives in didn't have running water until 1913. Electricity turned up in about 1920, and the steam heating system was installed in 1930. Oddly enough, it did have a telephone starting around 1910!
In the original house — built in 1780 or so — heat (what there was of it) was a stove on each floor and one in the kitchen ell. That lasted until 1893, when as part of a big extension the north end got central gravity flow hot air, fired by coal.
No insulation to speak of… but it's comfortable all the same. It does cost more to heat to a given temperature than a modern fully insulated tight as a drum place would, but not as much as one might think.
Br. Jamie, osb
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A charming place. Will make for a great remodel.
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As to original posted video: If there ever was a house that made me feel like I wanted to vomit - this is it! My house was built circa 1760 and was properly upgraded consistent with the period built including cast-iron radiators and three working fireplaces , so I know a thing or two about restoration
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RTW
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Totally agree with RTW. This is a classic case of remuddling. Starting with the exterior (practicality aside) all the exterior charm is lost when in gets enveloped in vinyl. Our house was covered in aluminum when we got it and luckily much of the original woodwork was intact or reconstructable underneath. Who knows on this one. The tasteless redo of the fireplaces wiped out probably the original homes nicest interior features. Many othe features s lost as well I am sure . As far as the radiators downstairs and in the upstairs hallways they just don't seem original to me with such a mishmash of styles. Yet, I doubt the house was originally heated by fireplaces and stoves since there would be evidence of fireplaces or chimney ports in each room. Certainly would have had to have more than a single 2 flue chimney. I'm sure someone could still make it a very nice home. Too bad for so many of the actions of the past in these cases though.
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Mine had a single flue chimney and at least 3 stoves fed into it. Kitchen stove was separate and I believe had just a steel pipe as it's jammed up in the floor joists under the kitchen even now. At least what's left. They didn't want to throw that out for some reason.
There was absolutely no evidence of this until we tore open stuff and found thimbles that were plastered over.
Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.
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Yes and it is entirely possible an entire chimney was removed as well. It is the random styling of the radiators downstairs that suggests one of two things to me and that is either it was not originally heated by steam or at some point an owner decided to salvage more attractive radiators for their public spaces to replace more plain styles (maybe similar to the bedroom styles) that were originally in the house.
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Are people still paying high prices for homes in the Hudson River Valley? Lovely area.
$600K to buy plus another $400K to renovate…………You've got yourself a nice retirement home.
8.33 lbs./gal. x 60 min./hr. x 20°ΔT = 10,000 BTU's/hour
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Man. What a shame. Salvageable, but almost a strip and re-do. What's with the 8 inch round running through the floors?
That said, with sufficient time and money it could turn out very nice. The bones are still there.
RTW called it. Remuddle.
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