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vaporvac
vaporvac Member Posts: 1,520
in Strictly Steam
I will soon be having my new boiler installed in my 2-pipeTrane VaporVacuum system and would like to ensure it's installed in the best possible way.  Obviously, this includes following the instructions to the letter, but I'm referring to those things above and beyond the basic manual.  This would include such things as dropped header, no copper. a good place to drain sediment, specific  brand of things to use, probe vs.float LWCO. making sure to keep the water line the same. There seem to be so many things that help  make an install great.  I'm working with a professional plumber with experience installing steam, but not an expert so I'm left providing the guidance for this sort of thing.

I'm sure other homeowners could benefit from such a list as well.



Everyone here has been such a help troubleshooting my system.It will be great incorporating everything on this install and then I'll work on tweeking it for best performance.
Two-pipe Trane vaporvacuum system; 1466 edr
Twinned, staged Slantfin TR50s piped into 4" header with Riello G400 burners; 240K lead, 200K lag Btus. Controlled by Taco Relay and Honeywell RTH6580WF

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  • gerry gill
    gerry gill Member Posts: 3,078
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    Have them put a nipple

    and cap full size of the boiler return opening in so that the boiler can be flushed out without leaving a puddle in it which happens when guys reduce the size of the return with a bushing.
    gwgillplumbingandheating.com
    Serving Cleveland's eastern suburbs from Cleveland Heights down to Cuyahoga Falls.

  • crash2009
    crash2009 Member Posts: 1,484
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    I am sure you saw this video before

      It was very helpfull to me.  I especially liked the segment on King Valves.  Saves a lot of time and money at maintenance time.



    http://www.heatinghelp.com/article/107/Steam-Heating/118/Steam-boiler-near-boiler-piping



     
  • vaporvac
    vaporvac Member Posts: 1,520
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    Great video!

    Thanks! I have NOT seen this, and now I'm wondering what other gems I've missed on this site.  My personal comp (old Mac) doesn't like flash, so usually I have to use another computer to watch video.

    I've been depending on the comfort-calc. website to explain proper near boiler piping, but this really helped.  FInally know what a King valve is and where it goes as well as the mud leg.  I'd never heard of the condensate drain, so something else to investigate. Now if only I could wrap my head around the false water line!

    Keep it coming!  CTD
    Two-pipe Trane vaporvacuum system; 1466 edr
    Twinned, staged Slantfin TR50s piped into 4" header with Riello G400 burners; 240K lead, 200K lag Btus. Controlled by Taco Relay and Honeywell RTH6580WF
  • crash2009
    crash2009 Member Posts: 1,484
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    Over the years

     I have been reading some of your past posts.  I must admit that when it comes to 2-pipe vapor, I don't have much to add.  As you say, the boiler is on its last legs, the system likely is in need of a tune-up, and all this is installed in what I would call a very grand home.  In my mind, I picture your home to be similar in size and grandiosity to  http://www.heatinghelp.com/forum-thread/131216/The-Best-Heating-System  The trouble is, it's difficult to repair one thing without effecting another. 

    Have you considered flying in one of the Pro's for a day or two, to consult with you and your local steam guys?  They likely would be able to save you a lot of headaches.
  • crash2009
    crash2009 Member Posts: 1,484
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    Anybody

     up to a little "Road Trip"
  • Dave in QCA
    Dave in QCA Member Posts: 1,785
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    To....?

    I forget where Vapor Vac is....
    Dave in Quad Cities, America
    Weil-McLain 680 with Riello 2-stage burner, December 2012. Firing rate=375MBH Low, 690MBH Hi.
    System = Early Dunham 2-pipe Vacuo-Vapor (inlet and outlet both at bottom of radiators) Traps are Dunham #2 rebuilt w. Barnes-Jones Cage Units, Dunham-Bush 1E, Mepco 1E, and Armstrong TS-2. All valves haveTunstall orifices sized at 8 oz.
    Current connected load EDR= 1,259 sq ft, Original system EDR = 2,100 sq ft Vaporstat, 13 oz cutout, 4 oz cutin - Temp. control Tekmar 279.
    http://grandviewdavenport.com
  • crash2009
    crash2009 Member Posts: 1,484
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    I don't know either

      I was just throwing it out there as a suggestion for Vaporvac and whomever else might be interested.
  • vaporvac
    vaporvac Member Posts: 1,520
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    Cincinnati!

    I'm in Cincinnati!  Only 41/2 hrs from Chicago and 5 from Cleveland driving.  Unfortunately, a little further from Baltimore:( Well, It is a large home, but not nearly as large as the Best home and not as beautiful in that old wordly way, but I like it and I'm not moving anytime soon. 'm open to a consult, but I'll have to check with the other out-of town owner. If it's a go, I'll have to get busy cleaning out my disaster of a basement and garage!  Whew,  talk about panic mode! CTD
    Two-pipe Trane vaporvacuum system; 1466 edr
    Twinned, staged Slantfin TR50s piped into 4" header with Riello G400 burners; 240K lead, 200K lag Btus. Controlled by Taco Relay and Honeywell RTH6580WF
  • crash2009
    crash2009 Member Posts: 1,484
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    Here are some phone numbers

    4 and 1/2 from Dave Bunnell in Chicago, heatinghelp's The Steam Whisperer, previously known as Boilerpro.  http://www.boilerpros.net/index.htm   http://www.bapa.org/article.asp?articleid=1379



    and 5 hours from Gerry Gill in Cleveland, http://www.gwgillplumbingandheating.com/



    There may be others, but I am sure you wouldn't be dissapointed using the services of either Dave or Gerry. 
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