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UNIONS OPPOSE COLLEGE PROGRAM (Dan H.)
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The Wall
When looking at the posting many think that the unions are hold back on education or don't provide it to their members.
As I stated before trade unions are educational centers. If some members have a bad attitude towards learning it is the individul not the all it's members.
The same thing goes for the non union sector. I have came across individuals Plumber in the non union sector that don't know the differance between a supply and a return line in hot water. Mr. Wallace and Mr. McElain I have never found a union that oppose it's members form teaching other or that are so sutpid that they can't or won't cooperate with others on the job. As for sizing your water heat is it really their job or is it yours?
Maybe it is the way that you men treat others or maybe you have real issues I don't know. But because this is a public forum many poeple form veiws by what they read here.
So, I have to ask is it really the unions or is it you, that have a problem?
On all the jobs I have been on no one treat the non unions poeple badly. They all go in trying to work together to get the job done.
I usally find that those who are uneducated or ignorant have the bias veiws. Are you one of those?
The truth of the matter is if I don't post to provoke others think for themself your veiws would taint us all.
Larry
larry.r.leyba@jci.com
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Larry, I just started reposting here
after a long absence and right away a controversy, I really should mind my own business.This is why a stopped posting to be honest with you. I will however take this opportunity to correct a few things.
First of all I am not anti-union, in fact I grew up with unions in my family. One of my uncles was Secretary Treasurer in the United Mine Workers with John L. Lewis. I was active in the mine workers and Steel Workers for many years. Having grown up in South Western PA unions are in my blood. All I stated was the fact of what happened to me when I started teaching. That was in no way meant to infer anything. I think this posting by our host was simply to point out what is happening in one instance and to rally some support for our fellow Wallie and his fine school.
As an educator and one who works very closely with Union and Non union I have no bias one way or the other. I take each man or women on the basis of their merit and not what organization they belong to or do not belong to. I have done teaching for several unions in my career.
As far as having a biased view I am not sure what education or ignorance has to do with that as I have found some very educated people who are very biased. Then again I have found some uneducated with a lot of class.0 -
Hear Hear!
It's about education. The more venues there are to enrich the minds of those that want to learn the trade, the better.
I would prefer if the Unions that oppose the Suffolk expansion would take this as a challenge to do a better job of teaching their members. Then let the market decide.
If a union-derived education were to be shown to be superior to a classroom-derived one, then one would presume that the graduate wages would reflect that.0 -
Larry,
are you opposed to what Suffolk Community College is doing? That's what this thread is all about.Retired and loving it.0 -
As a southerner
I resent the comment that we (in the South) don't have codes and/or inspectors. We do have codes that we have to follow.
I will admit that there are certain localities that don't have a code enforcing arm. Some of these localities simply don't have the population to support code inspectors, I'm guessing because they haven't had the influx of people that have "found" the area yet.
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now
Larry,
Have you seen your people lately? Have they been to Tekmar or Viessmann training? Who would send them and why?
I was in some classes recently with Timmy McElwain. Would his curriculum be un-worthy and/or un-qualified by union standards? Cant be because IIRC there were at least two guys sitting in the back that were union guys. I could tell immediately. They were the ones NOT paying attention and on their phones occasionally interrupting class. These were the ones waiting to get their hours in and get out. You could tell who was paying for their training and it wasnt them.
Spare me the wage thing. You all know how it works. All for one and one for all.
Perhaps the Union v Non union debate should be discussed elcewhere. Sorry Dan.0 -
Be careful !
Teachers, police, fire, doctors, and professional althelits. Are you going to say they all are edgumakated?
Let's start with the teachers union, tenure (enough said). Now police and fire, can you say details. Next doctors, do you really want to go there (Cough. that will be $400.00). Pro ball players, thier union aleast they believe so.
Larry there are plenty of hacks on both sides of the fence. Don't get so offened, let's work together and rid our profession of the fly by nighter non-union and union alike.
Education is the first step to our future and we should grab any opporutinity to weed out the "HACKS"! I value all hard working union and non union men and women. I could just do without all the B.S. in between.
P.S. "Money is never wasted on education just on Superiority complexes." Richard OhEigeartaigh (MY DAD)
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Timmie
Nice to see you posting. As for the unions I have worked both sides and as an american worker we all owe a debt to the guys that marched at Blair Mountain, and stood strong at Homestead against the Robber barons. Those days are now behind us and we all need to move forward.
When I worked union it seemed that all the talk was about bad mouthing nonunion workers, when I worked nonunion no one cared or spoke about unions. Best Wishes J.Lockard0 -
Virginia and most of
the southeast,Have both strong licensing and code enforcement laws. Where some of the up north (invaders) states like New York and Penna. lack both licensing and inspection with the exception of the major cities. J.Lockard0 -
I have somewhat definite views about unions.
let me ask, what might be the current Philosophy of education and what might be the current philosophy of trade unionism?
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To the wall
Dan
That is right it is about the collage and not how all the unions are. The local union in your area maybe opposed to education at the collage. But I don't think it's members are fully aware of the issue.
Like I e-mailed you this is a public forum and those who put all unions in the same group are not speaking with knowledge.
Yet it seems as that is okay with everyone. And if someone doesn't speak out to make sure the issue is your local area then many who read this thread will assume that it is that way everywhere.
And I for one want to make sure everyone realize that it is not that way everywhere!
As I have expressed in everyone of my threads education is the key to both sides.
No one I have worked with takes the veiws many have expressed here, not to say some do.
But if those that post think it an oportune time to bash someone eles. We need others to express the other side so those reading will see the real issue and not the preceived one.
Larry0 -
Yes I have seen my people I have been going to training for 17 yaers now.
Plus I have been to tekmar training and many others we actually use tekamr on snow melt systems. I am a member of RSES the Local 6 union and have worked both sides non union and union. Likewise I have welded 24" pipe X-ray quallity and installed on big and small jobs Light commerial to industial. On top of that I also do service work on RTU's, Rack refigeration, High presuure steam to vapor steam hydonics, chiller, VAV systems, pnuematics, air and water balancing, along with vibation analisys, and DDC controls. Now, I am in the progress of learning programing, this I have learn in both collages and union traing courses.
Education!
And the ones I associate with in the union and at work have a similar attitude towards education. Does this answer your question Mr. Wallace.
Is there an issue with wage? I have not brought it up!
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me thinks this thread
got way off track..education should be provided as best as possible..open to all who desire it..and presented by all who care enough to provide it..and we should be gratefull to be able to get the education we can in this country..
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Couldn't have said it better, Tom
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Education/knowledge needs to win this
I'm a past UA member (109). My apprenticeship training was absolutely dreadful. The first two years we took turns reading the Plumbing Code out loud. I kid you not. In order to keep my head from exploding I moved into the welding program. I had access to coupons, rod, machines, basic instruction and a great group of guys (no girls at that point and the beginning days of affirmative action...but that is another story). I did not learn the science of welding until I took a a course at a CC in Lincoln, NE. Those of you who had good to excellent instruction are incredibly fortunate...just as those who attend a well designed and presented program, as I expect Mr Silberstein's will be, are. I am all for his school!! I am all for education. Getting the kind of training that I got hurt me badly on the job. Having said that, in working with UA members, and I did work with some of the "Deadmen", was one of the highlights of my working career. I have seen guys do things with pipe that I was absolutely certain could not be done. Great stories there too. Let's keep training those kind of people.
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I know Dan very well............................................
and as a UA, Union-Trained Plumber (and proud one at that) I have NEVER heard Dan Holohan BASH the unions. Nor is he doing that now. Don't fault a man for taking a stand - unpopular as it may be to you! There is room for evryone and all kinds of organizations out there. The Unions traditionally have produced the best craftsmans by and large. The Unions often mocked non-union craftsmanship and in many cases rightfully so. NOW, in the past decade or so, the Non-union sector orgs like PHCC and ABC have made strides to change that and they have. This is America...Trade Unions have their place and so does Non-Union...may the best man win! Each side has its strenghts and weaknesses. Just because one has not had the privilege of a union membership does not automatically render them unskilled losers. Don't forget! Unions are quite selective about whom they let in....many cannot wait around for several years to get in and they deserve the opportunity to learn a trade properly. Unfortunately alot of Union members see themselves as a UNION Member first and foremost...everything else is secondary. I have seen several Union acqauintances that are the biggest Archie Bunkers going, avid hunters /gun owners that will go against ALL their other beliefs for ONE SINGLE issue.....Whatever My UNion tells me to do - that's group-think - not a good thing. Hey! Give Dan a break here, heh? You don't have to agree with him on every issue, but don't damn him because you may be on the other side of the fence on this issue. Just trying to keep it real and be fair. I think an apology is in order. Mad Dog
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Interesting thread to say the least!
Eugene,
While we haven't met in person (yet), I feel a strong sense of your character from posts I've read here and others comments. It's been quite evident your heart is in the right place and with the best of intentions regarding education. As one who is about to enter into the formal "fold" at Thaddeus Stevens College, I've been watching this thread with great interest as the professors there are in a teachers union, which quite naturally I'm not. When I was checking out college related text books for trades recently, I came across books you've written. Nice to see a familiar name among the list recognized by Thaddeus! Keep fighting the good fight. We're all in this together.
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Thank you Sir
That means a lot, especially coming from someone of your caliber.
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anybody?
Anybody wondering what my opinions on this threads? I have too many and biting my tongue on these issues... Have many experinces with union trained personals that would appalled a lot of honest working contractors and customers... One thing came to my mind for now on this issue, union trained way... Pay the dues, just show up in class, pay the dues, use union only, pay the dues, bash the non-union,pay the dues, show up at the meeting, pay the dues, list goes on....
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anybody
It seems that people like you have a bad attitude towards the unions. Most of the time I find that those who do not qualify to be in the union or do not have an ooportunity to become union are the loudest opposers of it. It shows becouse they don't unstand how the opperate.
My your comment I can tell you don't. Just like those who go to collage we don't just show up at class, at meetings. and then bash the non union.
We do talk about organizing the non union the help them obtain an education and benifits.
Likewise we pay out of our own pockets, to pay for the training, and facilities we teach in.
it that you are jealous of others hard work?
Larry0 -
Larry,
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I HAVE NEVER MET OR KNOWN ANY>>>>>>>>>>>>>
well-rounded, Classically-educated, person - whether is was in the trades or an academic, that derived and gleaned ALL their knowledge from ONE!!!!!!! source. If you want to STOP recommending Dan Holohan and The WALL to your students, friends, fellow union members...YOU are the one that will be stifling them and holding them back! I learned The Steam, plumbing, and general piping from several great DEadmen.....half of which were union-trained. As I posted earlier, you need to start thinking for YOURSELF, not what "THEY" tell you, you can say.or how you should vote. Dan Holohan edified THIS UNION plumber well enough that he left the union and started his own concern several years ago. As I said earlier, apologies are in order. Mad Dog
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Heating up
Gentlemen,
We all need to take deep breaths here and not polarize.The unions of course feel threatened and that is an obvious compliment to the quality of this program!
I was the first ABC plumbing instructor in Wisconsin back in 1989 and graduated a class of 10 four years later who subsequently gained their journeymen's license.
I started in the trade in 1969 at the age of 17 in a union program where I was blessed with decent instructors and great journeymen as on the job teachers.
I was the president of a mechanical contracting firm that was non-union from 1977-1982. We started this firm to compete in a non union area that was in closer proximity to our home base.
We kept our union shop (without my direct involvement)in the family as we did a great deal of work in the Duluth/Superior area.(highly unionized) This was called double breasting back in the seventies and was a very tough way to conduct business.
Basically you have economics at work here and the threats to unions has ironically made them more competitive and better trained. They now have more job classifications and far better training.Non union workers have benefited from the unions also as they look to take on highly trained journeymen with the enticement of better wages and benefits. This creates higher wages even if the workers don't jump to the union side.
When I say better training I don't mean that non-union workers are necessarily less trained as they have the advantage of wider work exposure due to unions' jurisdictional rules.
As the father of five and with my wife being similar to a single mother(I was lead man for both firms and I traveled for 16 of the twenty years I was involved with the family businesses)I opted to move to the Milwaukee metro area in 1988. I was the plumbing department head for a very high quality General Contractor and Developer in the highly unionized Milwaukee area. This firm Gerald Nell Inc was non union but with benefits paid a higher or comparable wage to the union contractors.
After four years I got restless and moved to a contractor in Neenah,WI (non union)and ran a project for KImberly Clark Corp. (a highly unionized papermaker)We completed the project, however my boss at the time died at age 37 from a heart attack. This threw this firm in total chaos so I returned to the Milwaukee.
After 16 years as a non union lead plumber I found myself taking a job with believe it or not one of PM magazines former article contributor's.
This service firm was union and I was re-instated into
Milwaukee Plumber's Local 75 in 1993. I have been a member since then and must say they have put great emphasis on training but still lack in quality service training. They as we post are making every effort to improve all their training.
This does not and should not give them an exclusive right to train all certified plumbing and HVAC. I have learned and experienced first hand how the union vs. non union debate has created better trained tradesmen for both.
Unfortunately there are simply not enough in this ever more technical industry.
Market forces work in our industry and the union if more attractive should welcome well trained craftsmen from any competant source.If they have better wage and benefit packages the workers will move accordingly.If the non union sector does not have adequate workers they will seek out unions and become signatory contractors.
An objective look at our industry shows a lack of quality service techs yet a very livable wage for the good ones thanks to past efforts of guess who? (The Unions)
As one of those 50 plus tradesmen I can honestly say that this is not a new debate and does not have to be a union vs non-union squabble. I owe agreat deal to many from both camps.
Bottom line we have a shortage of high quality servicemen and tradesmen and we need all the sources of educating them we can get! Keep up the good fight and realize that the unions are not doing anything out of the ordinary they simply percieve athreat that could in the long run benefit them!
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Maddog?
> well-rounded, Classically-educated, person -
> whether is was in the trades or an academic, that
> derived and gleaned ALL their knowledge from
> ONE!!!!!!! source. If you want to STOP
> recommending Dan Holohan and The WALL to your
> students, friends, fellow union members...YOU are
> the one that will be stifling them and holding
> them back! I learned The Steam, plumbing, and
> general piping from several great
> DEadmen.....half of which were union-trained. As
> I posted earlier, you need to start thinking for
> YOURSELF, not what "THEY" tell you, you can
> say.or how you should vote. Dan Holohan edified
> THIS UNION plumber well enough that he left the
> union and started his own concern several years
> ago. As I said earlier, apologies are in order.
> Mad Dog
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Maddog?
> well-rounded, Classically-educated, person -
> whether is was in the trades or an academic, that
> derived and gleaned ALL their knowledge from
> ONE!!!!!!! source. If you want to STOP
> recommending Dan Holohan and The WALL to your
> students, friends, fellow union members...YOU are
> the one that will be stifling them and holding
> them back! I learned The Steam, plumbing, and
> general piping from several great
> DEadmen.....half of which were union-trained. As
> I posted earlier, you need to start thinking for
> YOURSELF, not what "THEY" tell you, you can
> say.or how you should vote. Dan Holohan edified
> THIS UNION plumber well enough that he left the
> union and started his own concern several years
> ago. As I said earlier, apologies are in order.
> Mad Dog
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Maddog
Maddog:
What's the matter you mad like a dog? Does it both you that I have point out from the begining that All unions are not opposed to education?
Dan, I am sorry for accusing you of being bais.
Maddog, Lead into this subject does say "Unions" oppose education. And as I have pointed even in the begining trade unions are not opposed to education. The local in that are may have some poeple in it that are opposed but as a whole I don't think it is true!!!!
Trade unions are educational centers, that how they began and that is how they are today.
Because this is a pulic forum and as you can read all the posting for yourself, This opened the door for many to start bashing the unions, when we know that is not the veiws of all unions.
Maddog, to think for myself as I always do, the oppressed are condemn by those who keep sileint
Larry
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> Gentlemen,
>
> We all need to take deep breaths
> here and not polarize.The unions of course feel
> threatened and that is an obvious compliment to
> the quality of this program!
>
> I was the first
> ABC plumbing instructor in Wisconsin back in 1989
> and graduated a class of 10 four years later who
> subsequently gained their journeymen's
> license.
>
> I started in the trade in 1969 at
> the age of 17 in a union program where I was
> blessed with decent instructors and great
> journeymen as on the job teachers.
>
> I was the
> president of a mechanical contracting firm that
> was non-union from 1977-1982. We started this
> firm to compete in a non union area that was in
> closer proximity to our home base.
>
> We kept
> our union shop (without my direct involvement)in
> the family as we did a great deal of work in the
> Duluth/Superior area.(highly unionized) This was
> called double breasting back in the seventies and
> was a very tough way to conduct business.
> Basically you have economics at work here and the
> threats to unions has ironically made them more
> competitive and better trained. They now have
> more job classifications and far better
> training.Non union workers have benefited from
> the unions also as they look to take on highly
> trained journeymen with the enticement of better
> wages and benefits. This creates higher wages
> even if the workers don't jump to the union
> side.
>
> When I say better training I don't
> mean that non-union workers are necessarily less
> trained as they have the advantage of wider work
> exposure due to unions' jurisdictional rules.
> As the father of five and with my wife being
> similar to a single mother(I was lead man for
> both firms and I traveled for 16 of the twenty
> years I was involved with the family businesses)I
> opted to move to the Milwaukee metro area in
> 1988. I was the plumbing department head for a
> very high quality General Contractor and
> Developer in the highly unionized Milwaukee area.
> This firm Gerald Nell Inc was non union but with
> benefits paid a higher or comparable wage to the
> union contractors.
>
> After four years I got
> restless and moved to a contractor in Neenah,WI
> (non union)and ran a project for KImberly Clark
> Corp. (a highly unionized papermaker)We completed
> the project, however my boss at the time died at
> age 37 from a heart attack. This threw this firm
> in total chaos so I returned to the
> Milwaukee.
>
> After 16 years as a non union
> lead plumber I found myself taking a job with
> believe it or not one of PM magazines former
> article contributor's.
>
> This service firm was
> union and I was re-instated into Milwaukee
> Plumber's Local 75 in 1993. I have been a member
> since then and must say they have put great
> emphasis on training but still lack in quality
> service training. They as we post are making
> every effort to improve all their training.
> This does not and should not give them an
> exclusive right to train all certified plumbing
> and HVAC. I have learned and experienced first
> hand how the union vs. non union debate has
> created better trained tradesmen for
> both. Unfortunately there are simply not enough
> in this ever more technical industry.
> Market forces work in our industry and the union
> if more attractive should welcome well trained
> craftsmen from any competant source.If they have
> better wage and benefit packages the workers will
> move accordingly.If the non union sector does not
> have adequate workers they will seek out unions
> and become signatory contractors.
>
> An
> objective look at our industry shows a lack of
> quality service techs yet a very livable wage for
> the good ones thanks to past efforts of guess
> who? (The Unions)
>
> As one of those 50 plus
> tradesmen I can honestly say that this is not a
> new debate and does not have to be a union vs
> non-union squabble. I owe agreat deal to many
> from both camps.
>
> Bottom line we have a
> shortage of high quality servicemen and tradesmen
> and we need all the sources of educating them we
> can get! Keep up the good fight and realize that
> the unions are not doing anything out of the
> ordinary they simply percieve athreat that could
> in the long run benefit them!
>
> MP 1969
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well said!
That is well said!
Larry0 -
Dan
Just to let you know I was unfiar in the personal attack of you. And that said I am sorry.
The wall is a public forum and many have unfairly accused the unions and it's people in being anti-edcuational excecpt thier own training program. This sistuation is one that is only in one locality and not through out the majority of the unions. The thing I did not and do not want is a topic that gives more false validitity to those who oppose an organization becuase of a few individuals in it.
As I personally e-mailed you I think you should take this issuse before the E-Board at the local union and ask them if this is how all their members feel? Or is it the controling few of the E-Board?
It not fair to accuse you for the actions of those who post out of their ignorance to how a union opperates.
I will still express my thoughts, through out this post becuase if I keep silient when those who oppose others out of ignorance, I would be allowing everyone who reads this pulic forum their tainted veiws!
Larry0 -
Please Read the Initial Thread
Give it up guys. This argument is just like the flat rate billing versus time/material billing method...no one wins.
Every trade and every occupation has good guys and not-so-good guys. It makes no difference what their affiliation with unions might be. I have union guys that would never miss a chance to learn more. They read and study on their own time and care a lot about what they learn. I have a few that don't care as much and just aren't that interested in continuing education.
We have a strong JATC program and are actively seeking good apprentice applicants all of the time. I have two of these apprentices working and they are future great hands. However, I can tell you that their character and work ethic started with their parents and these young men would be outstanding in life whether they were in or out of a union.
This is all about the very first thread that Dan posted...nothing less and nothing more. Please re-read his request and make your own decision whether it is worth it to see others be educated and trained, regardless of their affiliations.
The trade unions should never be allowed to stiffle progress and hinder continuing education opportunities...that is not right and the smart union leaders would agree with me.
Once again, there are good people in every group.
Let's move on the better things!
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Larry
If you go back and look at the original post, all Dan posted was a news release about a local union opposing a local education program. The first post about "union bashing" was posted by someone that considered the news release "union bashing". Granted, there were a few posts that definately had an anti-union message. There will always be those who paint with a broad brush and this happens on both sides of every issue. None can claim a moral high ground here.
The original post was about a class that a local community college is offering being opposed by the local union. In all of your posts you have not addressed that issue. Is the opposition of the union justified or not? Please answer that question. You mention the wonderful training you received from the union that you belong to. Great. Does the union opposing the training offered by the local community college offer the same training? Please answer that question.
Would a graduate of the class being offered by the community college be an asset to the local union should he/she decide to join, or not? Please answer that question.
If the unions are in such dire straits for membership, does it make good sense to alienate the union further from the workforce by throwing down a gaunlet that in essence says, "The union way or the highway"??? Please answer that question.
You want more pipe fitters?? What are the unions doing to promote pipe fitting as a career choice? You want more electricians? What are the unions doing to promote the electrical field as a career choice? What are non-union companies doing? Answer is........nothing. The trades are now fighting for bottom of the barrel. Sorry state of affairs. To be quite honest, the whole "retirement package" line is BS. "I want a jet-ski now, not when I am 65".... You know what I am talking about.
So the whole point is this.....Does Eugene Silberstein offer something that helps the industry or not? Is his training valid?? Do the unions have a different set of rules of physicis? Would a Silberstein grad be good for the union or not?
Why is it a good idea for that local union to oppose that school? Please answer that question.
No union bashing in my post. Just honest questions.
Mark H
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Having retired from the US Air Force in 89 I decided to attend the local community college for heating, air conditioning and refrigeration. Before the end of my first year finally got an interview with the local hall. I was told the college was okay but I really needed to attend a trade school like Coyne American. Which I did. After graduation I contacted them not once, but three times. Also contacted a local in a neghboring community twice. No one ever contacted me back. Not even a courtesy call of saying not at this time. That to me is rude and displays a better than thou attitude. I am not anti-union. They have there place but the membership needs to get off their collective behinds and start demanding changes in the area of continuing education for their journeymen.
It was reported in the News a couple years back that a community in Indiana made a requiremnent to have Nate certification to get a contractors license. The main point Nate requires either continuing education or retesting for certification. The local union presented their apprenticeship program as an alternative to Nate, but when asked about continuing education they couldn't produce any program, and the town board told them no. This does not mean that all locals are lazy and have no continuing ed. programs. It means that those that do not better wake up and get with it.
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Dave
Having met Gene personally ... your hunch is correct.
He's a good guy who is on the right track and deserves our support.
Scott
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Actually you sound rather \"Mad\" ...........Larry
Slow down a little and watch your spelling. I'm glad you apologized to Dan. Thank You. I am not looking for an argument here, Larry. Let's please keep the discussion civil. Mad Dog
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Yes it does.
You are a one of a kind. As I said,,, this is drawn from my own personal experiences. I was run off of a retail beauty salon plumbing job in a shopping mall in Boulder CO. Some BIG guys came to visit with me. Their message was quite clear. "If you're not union, You can't work on any shop within this mall". They broke some stuff in front of the store and left.
I finished the job.
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There Back!
That the Robber Barons are back.All Globel Corperations now.
Watch then slowly steal your pennies...Standard Oil just merged back together a few years ago.
Unions are good for the working class if one belongs or work non union.They bring up the standards for all.. Right now the standards are slipping ........for all of us . Unless you have a well invested trust fund..
Pensions,vacation,days off and medical were all introduced from Worker Unions
If you have any of these left ...Thank a union worker .If would like to see it come back...Join a union.0 -
You are 100% correct...
Gary,
You are 100% correct and I would assume that this union membership is still represented by the "old guard" that have have tried and tried to be successful with certain tactics.
Hopefully these attitudes will 'retire' very soon and new blood with good ideas for the right reasons will prevail. Union membership is on the decline and these issues confirm why.
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Meeting results
Does anyone have feedback from the appropriation meeting this morning? This curious journalist wants to know. Thanks.0 -
Meeting Results
At the meeting this morning, there were approximately 20 individuals who spoke in favor of the resolution to approve the funds for construction of the new HVAC/R building on the Grant campus of SCCC. There was no union representation that was opposed to the program, but there were individuals from local companies who run/operate/own union shops. These individuals were from local 638, local 355 and local 553.
Since there were no individuals to speak against the resolution, the legislature voted to table the resolution until the college and the unions are able to sit down and attempt to iron things out on our own.
The next scheduled meeting is in two weeks.
We will keep you posted.0 -
Thanks Eugene
I guess it's time for all sides to "walk the talk" eh?0
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