Would you like? - Dan H.

hr

Neanderthal jobs!

Bet we all have some out there! Rough looking is one thing, dangerous is quite another.

Kevorkian venting practices need to be avoided at all costs

Venting, combustion air, and combustion testing and adjusting are by far the areas most installers need additional training. Yet classes geared toward NFPA code interpertation are rare! Not glamourous like radiant heat, I suppose. I'd like to see the RPA include these important sessions!

Insufficient heat, sloopy work, bad soldering, etc generally are not life threating.

Next would be cross connections and open systems. JUST SAY NO to these practices.

hot rod

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Rare Training On NFPA

I have been offering this training on combustion, venting, air for combustion along with related codes for sometime. It is interesting that those classes are often my poorest attendance. The answer I often get is "we know all about that stuff" or "if I follow what is in the manufacturers instructions I am all set." They just do not get it.

hr

Who knew, Tim? Crank up the volume!

You ned to get the word out, LOUDER. Any ads in mags? Maybe invite some trade rag reporters to your class's? You need more exposure maybe. Do you have short intro lectures available for RPA, PHCC, MCA, various Canadian group meeting?

Could you partner with IBR classes for a short spiel? Sounds like you need a marketing plan, if this is what you really want to do?

You need to sound like a broken record, keep the message in front of your audience constantly IMO.

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Hot Rod, my services have been offered to

National and Local PHCC and they have shown very little interest in training on Combustion related subjects.

I can give any kind of lecture on any subject related to gas or codes related along with air for combustion, CO, or venting. You said it in your post there is much more interest in money and profit related subjects such as installation and systems and I can understand that.

IBR approached me to do classes but we could not come to terms on my required price for my services. I attended the IBR course and there is really no time in the present program for such a lengthy subject. An example is NCI just on CO and Combustion is a three day course.

As to launching a national ad campaign I am not sure if my budget would allow for such an endeavor. The truth is you are probably right a national exposure would help. Hey any supporters out there willing to invest in such an endeavor to educate people about all that Mark and others are shouting about.

I do stay very busy with my training I am now doing but would certainly be avaialble to work with any of those associations.

heretic

Great idea

Marvelous images pass by here. A picture says 1000 words. Many deserve to be preserved. I save some myself. Even a good diagram does not have the "3D" impact of a photo. No other site (that I am aware of) has images of this sort to instruct and amaze.

Kal Row

ok, how about

video/dvd/workbook course - with computer based testing

i happen to be a private pilot - and i got 98's on both my private, and my instrument rating, written tests, i used the www.gleim.com publications to study, and used their computer based testing, and after i got 5 100's in a row, i went for the actual FAA exams,

you could work up a similar course with gleim and certification with NFPA - in the end, you will make more money, cause you can get more bodies by remote control than physically
what you do Tim, is way way too important not to get everybody

(a good video training school is http://www.kingschool.com/)

Unknown

Thanks Kal, I have been

looking around for some ways to develop somthing perhaps with streaming video connected to a web site. We have a local plumbing outfit here in RI that has just connected up with HVACTV.com to do some of that kind of training. I may be talking to them about putting something together.

Unknown

Great Idea !!!

I have some thoughts. Some of the most time consuming problems with hydronics is design, hanging, and getting to the job with all the correct materials. Not every job is the same but many are similar. Many times I read articles about how a system is designed and think, ok now show me a real world example. Having a libary or a book with the schemtaic on one page and a real world example on the other page whould let me form a material list and also and more important use it as a training tool to pass on to my employes. Hydronics is the best but installing it correctly takes alot of training and keeping current with its ever changing form. To most plumbers & hvac techs radiant is the most demanding so to have a correct example might take some of the learnig curve out of the mix. Their are no formal apperntice programs available to most contractors for hydronics and most of this side of the business is self taught making it easyer to learn might get more contractors on board.This libary would be another great resource.

Dan Thanks for your intrest in this topic.

Don Meier