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Snowmelt Design
Paul Rohrs
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I am working on a snowmelt design and am experiencing some glitches with the math on the secondary loop.
I have a secondary snowmelt loop of 16GPM @ 135F. I have a 30 Delta T with returning water of 105F. I have 180F boiler water for injection supply. My math tells me:
*16GPM x 135F = 2160 (load of secondary system)
so.....
9.6GPM x 105F = 1008 (load of return water)
6.4GPM x 180F = 1152 (load of injection needed)
*16GPM 135F = 2160 (secondary load)
(6.4GPM needed on injection pump)
If I use the formula out of the Wirsbo Snow & Ice Melting Design manual I get the following. (page 110)
F1 = 16 (System Flow GPM)
T1 = 180 (Boiler Temp)
T2 = 135 (Secondary Supply temp)
TR = 105 (Secondary Return temp)
TD = 30 (Delta T)
So.....
FV =(16 x 30) (180 - 135)
FV = 480 45
FV = 10.666 GPM needed at injection pump
What am I missing? Architects and engineers are saying my 34" injection loop will not sustain secondary loop temps and want me to increase to 1". I don't think it's necessary. My math shows me I'm right,Wirsbo design verifies their answer. This is a Government job and the Engineers are dotting all I's and crossing all T's.
Regards,
PR
I have a secondary snowmelt loop of 16GPM @ 135F. I have a 30 Delta T with returning water of 105F. I have 180F boiler water for injection supply. My math tells me:
*16GPM x 135F = 2160 (load of secondary system)
so.....
9.6GPM x 105F = 1008 (load of return water)
6.4GPM x 180F = 1152 (load of injection needed)
*16GPM 135F = 2160 (secondary load)
(6.4GPM needed on injection pump)
If I use the formula out of the Wirsbo Snow & Ice Melting Design manual I get the following. (page 110)
F1 = 16 (System Flow GPM)
T1 = 180 (Boiler Temp)
T2 = 135 (Secondary Supply temp)
TR = 105 (Secondary Return temp)
TD = 30 (Delta T)
So.....
FV =(16 x 30) (180 - 135)
FV = 480 45
FV = 10.666 GPM needed at injection pump
What am I missing? Architects and engineers are saying my 34" injection loop will not sustain secondary loop temps and want me to increase to 1". I don't think it's necessary. My math shows me I'm right,Wirsbo design verifies their answer. This is a Government job and the Engineers are dotting all I's and crossing all T's.
Regards,
PR
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Problem Solved
My oversight was on the Wirsbo side when I took 180F - 135F and it should have been 180F - 105F (return). Now my numbers jive at 6.4 GPM and I feel much better.
One thing I will say about architects and engineers, they reaffirm my belief to always do the math.
Thanks,
PR0
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