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Radiator vents sucking in air at end of cycle

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abea17
abea17 Member Posts: 10
in Strictly Steam

At the end of a heating cycle, once the boiler cuts off, a couple of my radiator vents will suck in air for about a minute and then stop. It’s not really causing any significant problems but it creates a very high pitched whistle that’s pretty annoying and obviously makes those radiators less efficient. Most of my radiators have maid o mist vents (not the best, I know) but the one with a Gorton vent is also doing this. Does anyone have any insight as to what could be causing this? I’ve been in this house for 5 years and this only started happening last year.

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  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 7,981

    See

    https://forum.heatinghelp.com/discussion/202604/radiator-hissing

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  • abea17
    abea17 Member Posts: 10

    @ethicalpaul thanks very much for linking that!

    ethicalpaul
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 19,172

    You could also install a steam vacuum breaker at the boiler or a check valve to let air in. It would keep the noise in the basement instead of upstairs if the main vent doesn't solve the issue.

    Picture this a box 28" x 28" x28" flled with water is turned into steam. A box large enough to hold that steam would have to be 28' x 28' x28'. The reverse is also true when the steam condenses

  • ARobertson13
    ARobertson13 Member Posts: 109

    abea17, I mentioned this on another discussion last week. Your steam pressure is too high or your vents do not close properly or a combination of both. Each vent must be able to let could air flow through them from the pipes or radiator and stay closed when the bimetal element, bellows or cartridge is heated at the closing temperature. Some vents that are faulty will close under steam pressure and open when the pressure drops.

  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 7,981

    I had to check your math @EBEBRATT-Ed, it's pretty close! Not sure why you picked 28 as your number of units instead of, say, 1 cubic inch of water, but OK!

    28" cubed = 28"^3 = 21,952 cubic inches water

    28' cubed = (28 * 12)^3 = 37,933,056 cubic inches steam

    37,933,056 cubic inches / 1700 (factor of steam vs water volume) = 22,313 cubic inches water

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  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 19,172

    @ethicalpaul

    I didn't come up with that one. Someone else did but I have remembered that for so long I can't remember where it came from.

    But you can tell someone (1700 x) but you can visualize that as well as the "28" Think it was in a book somewhere

    ethicalpaulEdTheHeaterMan
  • abea17
    abea17 Member Posts: 10

    @ARobertson13 the pressure is generally quite low so I don’t think that is the problem. I also wondered that about the vents; that’s part of the reason I’m confused that my vent-rite (not gorton, my mistake) is also doing it because I bought it after reading on here that it’s a better quality vent.

  • abea17
    abea17 Member Posts: 10

    @EBEBRATT-Ed could I install a vacuum breaker if I were to add an antler where the vent is in the photo, with the breaker and the vent next to each other?
    I was also previously advised to replace this maid o mist #1 vent with a gorton #2. Could that also help with the noise since it would be a larger vent?

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  • ARobertson13
    ARobertson13 Member Posts: 109

    abea17, How do you know that the pressure is low? Did you measure it? As for the radiator vent, you must be specific. the vent-rite company makes 4 different vents that can be used for pipes.

  • HotRod1975
    HotRod1975 Member Posts: 16

    So I actually stood near my long main and it’s not hissing it’s definitely sucking air in when boiler gets turned off. Here is photo of long main

    Have it in a livable basement 0-30 gauge usually goes from 2-4

    Not sure how reliable it is


    IMG_1298.jpeg
  • ARobertson13
    ARobertson13 Member Posts: 109

    HotRod1975, If you can see the 30 psi gauge move, your pressure is most likely too high. The Gorton #1s will tend to behave that way when the pressure is around 3 psi or above. You need to determine the pressure with a 0 to 5 psi gauge. Then determine if the vent is closing due to pressure not temperature.

    dabrakeman
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 19,172

    A vacuum breaker can be anywhere on the system above the boiler waterline. The higher the better. You do need to check the pressure as that vent looks like it has been leaking. Raise the vent on a longer nipple as high as possible.

  • dabrakeman
    dabrakeman Member Posts: 819

    AS @ARobertson13 said really need a reliable pressure reading. If pressure ie high it will increase likelihood of a vacuum induced radiator whistle (in my experience). Back to basics, how well is your boiler sized to your radiation and relative to your main venting what is the lengths and pipe size of your mains (and including main extensions if venting at the end of those)?

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