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Is this at risk of freezing?

trivetman
trivetman Member Posts: 249
edited October 20 in Plumbing

I've been running a recirculating hot water loop using one of those crossover valves which uses the cold line for the return. I am in the process of rebuilding a third floor closet and realize I've got access to a space next to the chimney where I can probably fish a line of pex through to the basement to be a dedicated return line.

Only hesitation is I don't know how cold this space might get. it's a hot water recirculating line, but there's always power outages and other edge cases to consider. My gut tells me it's far enough from the exterior wall not to be a freeze risk (as long as the house heat is working!), but I'm not 100% sure. I'm also realizing we have some existing water lines running from basement to second floor in essentially the same spot two floors down and which have never been a problem, but I didn't put those in so never questioned them. House is a 1900 build without any insulation against the stone exterior.

Here's a top view cross-section of the space Dimensions are approximate. Would you put a water line here for a client? Region is Philadelphia area.

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Comments

  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 14,599
    edited October 20

    unless there is a significant draft in from the outside(which is certainly a possibility in that chase) that is far enough in to not freeze unless you've lost heat for probably a day or 2 or more

    trivetmanCanucker
  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 25,918

    you will want to insulate the line to limit the heatloss if that is a cold space. Running recirc lines in cold spaces will cost more DHW fuel.

    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
    mattmia2
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 14,599

    it essentially makes all of the hot water lines in the loop part of the tank

  • Intplm.
    Intplm. Member Posts: 2,752

    You should be fine there. Just insulate the area.

    Grallert
  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 11,264

    I agree with @hot_rod & @mattmia2 sbout adding some pipe insulation. I also want to add

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    For the Philadelphia Fans.

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

    trivetman