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EK Boiler Installation

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EzzyT
EzzyT Member Posts: 1,297
Installed a EK1 Frontier gas fired with storage.
Also plumbed home runs Pex piping for the new cast iron rads and baseboard system.

E-Travis Mechanical LLC
Etravismechanical@gmail.com
201-887-8856
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  • pecmsg
    pecmsg Member Posts: 4,952
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    As usual a work of art!

    One question, all that work and you kept the old gas valves?
    MikeAmann
  • Intplm.
    Intplm. Member Posts: 2,083
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    pecmsg said:

    As usual a work of art!

    One question, all that work and you kept the old gas valves?

    How far back should he have gone? Since there are new valves installed I'm not too sure of your comment.

    Oh. And by the way @EzzyT ! This is some very nice work. Excellent.
  • EzzyT
    EzzyT Member Posts: 1,297
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    @pecmsg I was going to redo that scope of work but the plumber who is doing the plumbing in the house is going to handle those old gas piping.
    E-Travis Mechanical LLC
    Etravismechanical@gmail.com
    201-887-8856
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  • pecmsg
    pecmsg Member Posts: 4,952
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    Intplm. said:

    pecmsg said:

    As usual a work of art!

    One question, all that work and you kept the old gas valves?

    How far back should he have gone? Since there are new valves installed I'm not too sure of your comment.

    Oh. And by the way @EzzyT ! This is some very nice work. Excellent.
    @EzzyT answered but if it was me they would have been changed when the main was off.

    I had the same valve in this house on the main when I moved in. I kept an adjustable chained to the gas line just in case it needed to be closed. 1st chance I got it got replaced.
    MikeAmannIntplm.
  • Alan (California Radiant) Forbes
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    Love those Cross manifolds.

    Nice work, Ezzy!
    8.33 lbs./gal. x 60 min./hr. x 20°ΔT = 10,000 BTU's/hour

    Two btu per sq ft for degree difference for a slab
  • EzzyT
    EzzyT Member Posts: 1,297
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    @Intplm., @pecmsg & @Alan (California Radiant) Forbes. Yes the Cross manifolds makes things a lot easier 
    E-Travis Mechanical LLC
    Etravismechanical@gmail.com
    201-887-8856
  • Larry Weingarten
    Larry Weingarten Member Posts: 3,387
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    Hi, I sure wish the mechanical rooms I work in were as nicely laid out as this! What a pleasure for doing service work.

    Yours, Larry
  • SuperTech
    SuperTech Member Posts: 2,205
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    Wow! That's one of my favorite boilers and I don't think I have ever seen a nicer installation.  Fantastic job!
    MikeAmannRoger
  • EzzyT
    EzzyT Member Posts: 1,297
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    Thanks @Larry Weingarten, you know there never isn’t enough room suited for mechanicals on the design phase of most structures especially the ones I come across. One of the most important things I plan on laying out a mechanical room is enough for future maintenance and service.
    Thanks @SuperTech
    E-Travis Mechanical LLC
    Etravismechanical@gmail.com
    201-887-8856
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,241
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    Excellent work!   Every job has to have a beginning and an end.  You can't repipe the whole basement.  Also, according to the new D.O.T Federal  Piping natural gas rules, even as a Licensed Master Plumber, you are allowed to shut the main gas cock off ONLY in a genuine emergency, not to change a gas cock.  So, If you wanted to change the gas cock or remove a tee in a run, you have to 1) Call Gas utility for Shutdown.
    2) Do the actual  work, which depending on your municipality, might require a permit and gas pressure test for the Utility to turn it back on!...alot of down time...3) You are now at the mercy of the utility and town and their "windows" of time.  Many plumbers will ignore this and either change valve on the fly or shut the lock wing gas cock (Bad, Bad, Boy!!).  If..when a Plumbing inspector sees a newish gas cock..."Did you pull a permit for that? Where's the gas test...Did the utility shut for you? "  Is a Brave New World out there.  Maybe thats why Ezzy left it?  Mad Dog 🐕 
  • realliveplumber
    realliveplumber Member Posts: 354
    edited July 2023
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    I wasnt aware that the Fed was regulating shutting off the gas.

    There has been no mention of it in master plumber or plumbing inspector continuing education classes in NJ.




  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,241
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    Our Utility, National Grid has two reps at every PHCC meeting and hammer this home.  Supposedly, it all stemmed from the 
    Big natural gas jobs that blew up in NYC.  D.O.T. National stepped in and claimed the "Federal side" of the gas meters as they control the "transportation" of nat gas.  Its going to cause tremendous grief...😠 Mad Dog 
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,241
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    They also insist , that these rules have been on the books for 60 yrs, but now they are enforcing it. Its called "TASK 87"  Mad Dog 🐕 
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 17,003
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    I'll add my 2 cents- looks great! I'll bet the owner will love the way it works.
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
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    Mad Dog_2
  • Roger
    Roger Member Posts: 344
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    Exceptional work as always, @EzzyT - thank you for sharing and doing such fine work for our mutual customers!
    Roger
    President
    Energy Kinetics, Inc.
    Mad Dog_2
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,241
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    Roger...is EK still made in Connecticut?   Mad Dog 🐕 
  • Roger
    Roger Member Posts: 344
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    Close, @Mad Dog_2, Energy Kinetics has always been in Lebanon, New Jersey and our boilers are still made here with steel and stainless steel from local mills.
    Thank you for asking!
    Roger
    President
    Energy Kinetics, Inc.
    DJD775Mad Dog_2
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,241
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    What year where they founded and when did the System 2000 come out? Late 80s?  Mad Dog 🐕 
  • Roger
    Roger Member Posts: 344
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    Energy Kinetics was founded in 1979, with System 2000 as the initial product at the height of the first energy crisis. The first year we learned alot, including that the boiler was so efficient that it would condense (not good with the higher sulfur fuel oil at the time). That was addressed with a built-in bypass to prevent condensing, which was later controlled with an aquastat, and finally upgraded to fully automated control with the Digital Energy Manager over a quarter century ago. We were the first in the world to use a brazed plate heat exchanger for domestic hot water, which was critically important to run thermal purge to a stratified tank (which can't be done with a tank with an internal coil because the tank and the boiler would then finish hot). Combined with low mass, the savings are still a hallmark of all of our products. We've always looked to use industry standard parts wherever possible, and with solid training and technical support, it has been a reliable foundation for happy customers!
    President
    Energy Kinetics, Inc.
    bburdSTEVEusaPARobert O'BrienRich_49
  • Harvey Ramer
    Harvey Ramer Member Posts: 2,261
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    Roger said:
    Energy Kinetics was founded in 1979, with System 2000 as the initial product at the height of the first energy crisis. The first year we learned alot, including that the boiler was so efficient that it would condense (not good with the higher sulfur fuel oil at the time). That was addressed with a built-in bypass to prevent condensing, which was later controlled with an aquastat, and finally upgraded to fully automated control with the Digital Energy Manager over a quarter century ago. We were the first in the world to use a brazed plate heat exchanger for domestic hot water, which was critically important to run thermal purge to a stratified tank (which can't be done with a tank with an internal coil because the tank and the boiler would then finish hot). Combined with low mass, the savings are still a hallmark of all of our products. We've always looked to use industry standard parts wherever possible, and with solid training and technical support, it has been a reliable foundation for happy customers!
    I have never installed or worked on a better boiler then EK. 
    RogerszwedjSTEVEusaPA