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89 NYCHA Bldgs earn "A" for Energy Efficiency

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HydroNiCK
HydroNiCK Member Posts: 182
edited April 2023 in THE MAIN WALL
This is amazing. If you ever worked for govt maybe you will find this as hilarious as I did.   NYCHA out civil-serviced the civil service. 

https://www.thecity.nyc/2023/4/12/23679583/nycha-energy-efficiency-grades-local-law-97
TonKa

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  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,241
    edited April 2023
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    They need an Armed U.S. Army Ranger (insert your favorite military branch here) Career Drill instructor and a platoon  of soldiers in EACH building to turn around and  run NYCHA....and it will still take years to get right..  It is soooooo out of control in every way. The good people (yes there are many) who live there are treated like GARBAGE with the conditions they "live" in. I've seen it for years... There are good well meaning folks that try to do the right thing as workers/managers.   There is a real HANDS OFF approach prevalent there..No one can cut through the crippling red tape... Its not right.  Mad Dog
    HydroNiCK
  • CLamb
    CLamb Member Posts: 298
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    Years ago when Lynne Patton was a President Trump appointee to HUD she investigated and tweeted about problems with NYCHA housing. She even went to live in at least one building for a while. IIRC, the major problem was workers falsifying repair and inspection reports. They said that repairs were made although tenants said none were made and the facilities still weren't working. This happened multiple times on the same problem report. Much to my dismay none of the NYC elected officials seemed interested in prosecuting the fraudsters.
    HydroNiCKMad Dog_2
  • HydroNiCK
    HydroNiCK Member Posts: 182
    edited April 2023
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       Mad Dog_2 said:
    They need an Armed U.S. Army Ranger (insert your favorite military branch here) Career Drill instructor and a platoon  of soldiers in EACH building to turn around and  run NYCHA....and it will still take years to get right..  It is soooooo out of control in every way. The good people (yes there are many) who live there are treated like GARBAGE with the conditions they "live" in. I've seen it for years... There are good well meaning folks that try to do the right thing as workers/managers.   There is a real HANDS OFF approach prevalent there..No one can cut through the crippling red tape... Its not right.  Mad Dog
    Your right. The tenants suffer, the tax payers, and the workers.  Alot of times it sucks that The plumber that shows up or the electrician, or the oil burner guy are the faces to the problems. Good mechanics that want to do their job and fix things often have their hands tied for many different reasons.
    Mad Dog_2
  • HydroNiCK
    HydroNiCK Member Posts: 182
    edited April 2023
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    CLamb said:
    Years ago when Lynne Patton was a President Trump appointee to HUD she investigated and tweeted about problems with NYCHA housing. She even went to live in at least one building for a while. IIRC, the major problem was workers falsifying repair and inspection reports. They said that repairs were made although tenants said none were made and the facilities still weren't working. This happened multiple times on the same problem report. Much to my dismay none of the NYC elected officials seemed interested in prosecuting the fraudsters.
     In a similar bizarre alternate universe not far away in a black hole called "The State".  There is fixed and then there is Fixed.  In the workers defense often times you have to forget everything you know and wrap your mind around a different world and reality of how things are done. You may not have the right supplies and even if you did you can't use them.  Sometimes the building inhabitants are floating down the halls in a rowboat but you can't shut the building down until six satellites link up, 3 meetings, and a priest blessed your equipment when it finally comes in a month later after the purchase order was approved .. and a work order is issued, and OT approved. Sometimes you have no idea where a valve is or if there is a valve.
     Wrap your mind around the below picture. What do you call that red material?  If you worked on the planet named "The State" you would call that ...Red Solder. Red Solder is applied with hose clamps to broken pipe in order to fix potable water leaks and heating water leaks. You can't just shut water off light up a torch and go to work, yet fix it you must. So you stop the leak. The Cieling wall or whatever is covered by the carpenter ..(who knows when?)   you go to the next call. Three months later when the hot pipe dries out the Red Solder and it cracks ...the leak that the customer thought was "fixed" was never fixed. Depending on severity of the leak..after like the fifth (5) red Solder repair and the 10th time telling the powers that be they need to organize a shut-down because the Swiss cheese pipe can really do some damage... you may have a shutdown and then it is Fixed

    Mad Dog_2CLamb
  • HydroNiCK
    HydroNiCK Member Posts: 182
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    Also there is confusion and misinformation.  Many are under the assumption that inefficiency is caused and is synonymous with fossil fuels and boilers.  They believe by removing fuel and boiler inefficiency goes away. But the total package needs to be fixed and maintained. According to the article
    "NYCHA, given that most of its 177,000 apartments date back to the 1950s and 1960s and rely on archaic steam plant systems powered by natural gas and oil.

    NYCHA’s own sustainability reports acknowledge that the current systems are “inefficient and costly to maintain.” More than 1,300 NYCHA boilers across the city are powered by fossil fuels.

    Outlining their agenda, NYCHA determined that they can continue to rely on fossil fuels for heat and hot water and reach the mandated 40% greenhouse gas emission reduction by 2030 if they make these systems more efficient.

    The whole thing is funny because I equate it to the gov/mayor waiting on line for 8 hours at the DMV finally reaching the window and NYCHA telling them oops we lost your paper work and I'm going on break now anyway so your gonna have to come back tomorrow and wait on line.

    PC7060Mad Dog_2
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,241
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    They can hand out Govt issue sweaters and earmuffs when they cut the Natural gas mains off and ban #2 oil and everyone is freezing in NY.   "Let them eat cake!!!"  We all  know how that ended.....Mad Dog
  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 5,792
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    Pretty sure Big Coal said the same thing when oil and gas came along.

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  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,241
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    Perhaps...but at that time Coal was not threatened with a TOTAL BAN...Mad Dog
  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 5,792
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    Same with gas and oil today, there is no total ban.

    Surely some cities made coal illegal, no?

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