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  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 9,652
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    I think there is the catalog page with these in the library somewhere.
  • ratio
    ratio Member Posts: 3,626
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    Fed & drained by ½ copper. <sigh>

    @Erin Holohan Haskell , perhaps we could get a "beautiful" tag?

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  • SuperTech
    SuperTech Member Posts: 2,164
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    ratio said:
    Fed & drained by ½ copper. <sigh>

    @Erin Holohan Haskell , perhaps we could get a "beautiful" tag?

    I figured it was a hydronic radiator. I don't see a vent in the picture. Is it incorrectly assumed to be steam? I know I've seen this picture before at least once. 
  • Big Ed_4
    Big Ed_4 Member Posts: 2,785
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    It was not piped for the era of casting , too small of a pipe for steam and gravity . Copper was used after WW2 ..
    I have enough experience to know , that I dont know it all
  • Waher
    Waher Member Posts: 251
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    I've seen photos of those in the UK and Beacon Hill in Boston in Butler's pantries for keeping food warm adjacent dining rooms as it was brought up basement kitchen.
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 6,927
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    How much u want for it?  Its the ONLY unique cast Iron rad that still eludes me.  I want one in my dining room to keep the turkey warm!  Mad Dog 🐕 
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  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 6,927
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    I saw a pantry rad on a consult a few weeks ago...they cool but the Susie-Homemaker-Betty-Crocker warmer is the best. Mad dog
  • STEVEusaPA
    STEVEusaPA Member Posts: 6,506
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    Looks like I can barely make out a bleeder on the upper right corner. Also looks like it was bushed down twice. Maybe it was steam once and was converted?

    steve
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  • DanHolohan
    DanHolohan Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 16,526
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    It was steam. 
    Retired and loving it.
  • Erin Holohan Haskell
    Erin Holohan Haskell Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 2,284
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    They also sold the X-Ray, which was a plate warmer or pantry radiator. This was in the same 1917 catalog, but on the next page.


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  • Erin Holohan Haskell
    Erin Holohan Haskell Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 2,284
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  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 9,652
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    I would think you'd need a bleeder on both ends if you were using it with hot water, at least if you wanted the full capacity.
  • Big Ed_4
    Big Ed_4 Member Posts: 2,785
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    Good place to warm the dishes and keep the fresh bake bread ripe ..
    I have enough experience to know , that I dont know it all
    Corktown
  • The Steam Whisperer
    The Steam Whisperer Member Posts: 1,215
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    That radiator really looks like it is connected at the top. My new "old" dining room radiator has no bleeder and heats completely on a hot water system with just an air scoop for air removal at the boiler with pumping away. The air trapped in the radiator will eventually be absorbed by the water and removed by the scoop. The Florence Hotel ( in Pullman of Pullman train cars) has a number of original steam radiators (reed type) that run on the hot water system ( which is a travesty in this historic building)
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  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 6,927
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    I just saw one of these - still in operation on an interesting consultation.   I know I'm a Sick Puppy for this Heating stuff, but I practically did an Irish Jig in the man's Pantry!   When he saw 👀 how psyched I was...he realized how special this radiator was. I told him about Sandblasting and powder coating it and to NEVER let anyone take it away.  By the way, I am using my great sandblasting friends in Western Suffolk County again after 20 years on some great pieces of Cast Iron I'm having cleaned up for use and display around my 1900 Country Victorian Farmhouse in the Burbs...I have a Gate from the year the house was built. 1899-1900,  Corner horse 🐎 grain trough, and old hand made anchor and an original "Syracuse" Horse Plow made in Batavia New York that sits on my driveway  as a tribute to its rural past just 90 yrs ago.....some REALLY old and ornate, scrolled rads.  Can't wait. Mad Dog 🐕 
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 6,927
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    Dan...you turned me in to.a Junkie....for Heating Antiquities....Thank you.. I'm in Hog Heaven 🐖 .  This stuff warms your soul...oozing with Character and History...Who  knows maybe The Van Cortlandts who owned an estate that went from the Bronx to Rhinebeck in the Hudson Valleys dried their wet hats and gloves from brutal winter farm activities 150 years ago???. This one puppy is the most unique I've ever seen or owned.  I'm sure Dan and Steamhead will ID it.  Once its sandblasteband powdered coated...Ill be able to read the raised lettering.  Running ones hand along it, is very much like handling a fine rifle or shotgun...you stroke it with great admiration and reverence. Mad Dog 
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  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 6,927
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    149 years...still in service as we speak behind the couch in my Parlor...its too bad it is mostly hidden, by the couch, but I WILL pull it out to show you!  Never leaked either.  Like my pipe work,, its built to go the distance...well see how long that actually is......Mad Dog
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  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 6,927
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    A.A. Griffing Iron Co.  NY Pat Sept 22 1874

    I wonder where the foundry was?  Brooklyn?  Red Hook, NY ?   Got this puppy FREE from an Old Barn on the Estate of a Long Island Gold Coast Mansion built in the 1700s in Old Westbury which was settled by Valentine Hicks (The Nursery still operates today).  Old Westbury was 13 Quaker Farms since I think the 1600s...In the 1870s the Uber Wealthy Blue Bloods with names like Phipps, Guest, Vanderbilt, Whitney, Carnegie, Rockefeller bough this led up for top dollar 💵 and the Quakers. Walked away happy by all accounts,  and bought bigger farms nearby.  They built grand estates of the first order.  They'd have Valentine Hicks drag HUGE full grown Oaks and Beeches by draft horse teams For their grand entrances and Ailees.....They were recreating their historic fambly estates in Europe..Scotland, The Junker Estates of East Prussia, The Lakes Region of Great Britain 🇬🇧.   No expense was spared...Italian Stone Mason were brought over to do the work. The Finest Irish Millwrighr
    To and cabinet Makers from Cork Co, the best plumbers London could buy.   Their aim was to recreate these pastoral homesteads and make them look like they were built 400 yrs ago.. .and they do.  What treasures we have just 3 or 4 miles from where I lie on my couch with the Old Ironsides... Radiator cranking out BTUs.   Mad Dog 🐕 


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  • DanHolohan
    DanHolohan Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 16,526
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    A. A. Griffing was in Newark, NJ. Last time I looked, it's now an empty lot.
    Retired and loving it.
    Mad Dog_2
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 16,838
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    Amazing how the products of this and other companies from that era, have outlasted the companies that made them. Where are we going to find that now?
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  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 6,927
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    Dan...Was this what u call The "Bundy" radiator?  Wasn't it the first mass manufactured Rads after the mattress Radiator?  Also. What would u guys say was the first year one pipe steam started going on?  1865 1870?  Or later?   Mad Dog. 
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 6,927
    edited February 2023
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    I did a consult today on the Isle of Long, Nassau County.  House was built 1864. Everything is very old  but no fancy rads so I don't think it went in at that time.  Crazy though. Several very low cellars with pipe and asbestos from every repair ever done. All brick and rubble foundation.  First generation asbestos insulation.   Definitely hand-crafted...not even the very old Johns Manville that I'm used to seeing.  Mad 🐕 Dog
  • DanHolohan
    DanHolohan Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 16,526
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    Retired and loving it.
    Mad Dog_2
  • Long Beach Ed
    Long Beach Ed Member Posts: 1,204
    edited February 2023
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    Matt, here's my Griffing in Long Beach. Gotta give you a call!


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  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 6,927
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    Oh my God Ed...is that in your house?  U wanna hug it!  Gorgeous!   Mad Dog
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  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 6,927
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    Some Butes I'm having Sandblasted as we speak.  Mad Dog. 
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  • Long Beach Ed
    Long Beach Ed Member Posts: 1,204
    edited February 2023
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    Here's a single section, single footed Griffing with fire pots on it. Also in the collection. 1899 patent.




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  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 6,927
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    Stop it, Ed!   This is YOUR house??? Or some museum in Steam Heaven 🤔??  Mad Dog
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  • guzzinerd
    guzzinerd Member Posts: 233
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    Unbelievable beautiful rads, so jealous 
    Bryant 245-8 2-pipe steam in a 1930s 6-unit 1-story apt building in the NM mountains.  26 radiators heating up 3800sqf.
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 6,927
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    Nah!! you TOO can own these Victorian Era beauties....tell em what they won Johnny!
    Price is right? Or let's make a deal ?  Remember those shows?   Mad Dog
  • Long Beach Ed
    Long Beach Ed Member Posts: 1,204
    edited February 2023
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    Mine! Mine all mine! Ancient iron. Those things you're hauling out are mighty pretty too, Dog!
  • Erin Holohan Haskell
    Erin Holohan Haskell Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 2,284
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    @Mad Dog_2 that radiator you're taking off the truck looks like H.B. Smith's Imperial (1917).



    And here are some similar Bundy radiators:


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  • JimP
    JimP Member Posts: 87
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    Interestingly these look like the radiators that Mad Dog is having sandblasted and refinished. I purchased these in Collingswood New Jersey. The homeowner went to hot air heat. I was told a house across the street had the same radiators! I brought them home and pressure washed them before repainting. I’ve been storing them for several years. I want to keep them together because I think they’d be fantastic in a classical style home! The legs are especially unique. The only radiator I like more is the Italian Flue!
    EdTheHeaterManErin Holohan HaskellAlan (California Radiant) Forbes
  • DanHolohan
    DanHolohan Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 16,526
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    Elegant. 
    Retired and loving it.
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 15,683
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    Matt, here's my Griffing in Long Beach. Gotta give you a call!
    You need a set of Empire Grenadiers to go with that.


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  • Long Beach Ed
    Long Beach Ed Member Posts: 1,204
    edited February 2023
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    You need a set of Empire Grenadiers to go with that.
    Are those elevator buttons on them?
    CLamb
  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 7,837
    edited February 2023
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    ratio said:

    Fed & drained by ½ copper. <sigh>

    @Erin Holohan Haskell , perhaps we could get a "beautiful" tag?

    Then everyone would be clicking "Beautiful" on all YOUR comments Erin because of that high school yearbook picture on your profile
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  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 15,683
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    You need a set of Empire Grenadiers to go with that.
    Are those elevator buttons on them?
    Tweeters and midranges.

    The 15" woofers are down firing.
    They're speakers with marble tops.   Made in Garden City NY.  I think by Dyna-Empire.


    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment