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A blast from the past.

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Tom51
Tom51 Member Posts: 14
edited February 2023 in THE MAIN WALL
This is a pretty cool time capsule


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  • Derheatmeister
    Derheatmeister Member Posts: 1,572
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    Yes thats VERY cool...
    Is this from an Goverment agency rightfully trying to keep Smoke/Smog down or just dipping ?
    Strange that up here in the High Country Colorado we do not need emission control yet in other parts of the US it is stricktly enforced !
    IMO Combustion analysis such as the EU has should be required and the yearly visit from the State inspector or a Certified Tech should not allow the operation of maladiusted equipment.
    Thanks for Sharing.
    Tom51
  • JUGHNE
    JUGHNE Member Posts: 11,105
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    Coal burner.....
    Tom51
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 17,006
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    This is what gave rise to district steam systems in American cities, as well as some smaller places. All those coal-fired boilers put out a LOT of smoke.
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
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    Tom51ttekushan_3
  • reggi
    reggi Member Posts: 522
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    Burning "Poo Coal"  one would expect a lot of something out of the stack..
    One way to get familiar something you know nothing about is to ask a really smart person a really stupid question
    Tom51GGross
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 15,835
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    "This permit relates to smoke prevention only" :)
    Tom51reggi
  • JakeCK
    JakeCK Member Posts: 1,416
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    Not far from me. I might be passing pretty close to there on my way up to Cleveland Lumber if I make it up there before they close today. 


    I wonder if this is the same building.

    ttekushan_3
  • Tom51
    Tom51 Member Posts: 14
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    It is indeed.
    ttekushan_3
  • ttekushan_3
    ttekushan_3 Member Posts: 960
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    I go past there frequently; haven’t seen smoke in years  :)
    terry
  • ttekushan_3
    ttekushan_3 Member Posts: 960
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    @Derheatmeister, in 1918 Cleveland it was very likely legit. The school is in a residential area so I guess they were trying for something there although clean air was a fantasy but that area was better than anything near the flats!
    Cleveland was pretty progressive then with excellent water works, public power, public health department, great public schools.
    Somewhere after WWII things went a little haywire…
    terry
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  • scott w.
    scott w. Member Posts: 209
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    Like all industrial cities, governments thought they could milk big business for ever-increasing taxes, plus unions got greedy and lazy, industry also got lazy and it all went down hill with foreign competition coming on the scene.   What the heck is Poo coal? Is that a typo?
  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 8,166
    edited March 2023
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    scott w. said:

    Like all industrial cities, governments thought they could milk big business for ever-increasing taxes, plus unions got greedy and lazy, industry also got lazy and it all went down hill with foreign competition coming on the scene.   What the heck is Poo coal? Is that a typo?

    Actually Poe Coal. the letter "e" on that typewriter may have not been pressed very hard leaving the center line somewhat invisible. Look hard and you can see that is E not O

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

    Mad Dog_2
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 17,006
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    I think it's supposed to be "Pea" coal.
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  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,241
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     💩  💩 Coal-Tar Extract...mom used to give us that when we were sick and getting the 🏃‍♂️ Runs!!  Stopped it dead in its tracks...Mad Dog
  • retiredguy
    retiredguy Member Posts: 930
    edited March 2023
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    One thing about a coal burning device using bituminous (soft) coal, they smoked the most when the operator would disturb the burning coal pile or when adding coal on a "hand fired" unit. Most of the furnace operators thought that digging into the burning coal pile and moving the coal around was a necessity; it was not. Also a lot of the smoke could be eliminated by introducing fresh air above the burning coal pile. That fresh air would allow the smoke to be consumed and thus be reduced or eliminated.

    Hard coal or anthracite burns almost smoke free. The flame looks like the blue flame from a natural gas kitchen stove. The problem with anthracite coal was it's cost which was many times more expensive than bituminous coal and is only mined in north east Pa. near hazelton and Scranton. (You know Scranton, that is where "Joe" is from).
    Mad Dog_2ttekushan_3
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,241
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    Yeah yeah.we heard...he fails to mention his father was quite wealthy and they lived in an upper class Suburb next to me called Garrrrrrrrden City!  Great town but entry level home 1.5 Million.  MAD DOG

  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,241
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    Thats very interesting about coal. We stayed every August in a Cozy Lake "Camp" as upstaters say (Deer Camp...Fishing camp et cetera) overlooking Saratoga Lake.  August's Temps in The Spa could swing almost 60 degrees in a Day!!!  95 in the Adirondack Sun. 38 sometimes at night. So, they had a huge gray potbelly stove in the main room.  It stood like a Battleship in Port.  My older Brother Bart, a super serious fisherman since age 5 was always the first up at 430am. He would get Big Bertha going and stoked with coal that sat in buckets outside the side of the camp across from a large homemade Shack that housed the well.  The whole camp would be bearable in about 30 minutes. Great memories of The Camp and Saratoga Racetrack. Mad Dog
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,241
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    And you are correct...it wasn't very smoky like wood or paper.  Old Man Pete Russo was a WW I US Navy Vet who took us fishing everyday.  He had a huge tattoo of his Battleship across his chest. It was that early tattoo blue they used.  He collected the coal nuggets as they fell off the train that passed within 10 feet of his Handmade Camp 30 feet West of our camp.  There was still tons of coal scattered on the ground even though the train 🚆 hadn't run thru there since the late 50s, I believe.   The tracks were gone too by the late 60s.  For anyone in to the history and who knows about Saratoga, this rail line ran North-South on the flat plateau  from Town to an old Grand Hotel on the Lake Called The Old Homestead.  We kids would walk 🚶‍♂️ the old track route picking up railroad spikes.  It was about a 30 minute walk to the remnants of the Collapsing White wooden Roof dome.  Cool 😎"   Mad Dog. 
    ttekushan_3