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ROBBINJE1
ROBBINJE1 Member Posts: 4
I have a Honeywell aqustat l7224u it has a 24 volts to terminal TT also I have a remote 24 volt transformer that is connected to the terminal TT, is that ok for two transformers connected in parallel 

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  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 5,003
    edited October 2022

    NO

    You need to show the diagram or pictures of the wiring

    TT on that L7224U control is for a thermostat to open and close the circuit.

    When Zone valves get involved it can cause the smoke to leave one or both of the transformers.

    What zone valves are you using?
    Are you using a zone control panel?
    ...or just wiring the zone valves and transformer with that spaghetti of wires and wire nuts?

    We will help you to get it right.
    Edward Young Retired HVAC Contractor & HYDRONICIAN Services first oil burner at age 16 P/T trainer for EH-CC.org
  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Member Posts: 20,525
    T-T can be connected ONLY to the contacts of an aquastat or thermostat, or dry contacts of a relay. If you haven't already fried your control, you will by your description. NEVER APPLY AN EXTERNAL VOLTAGE TO T-T
    Br. Jamie, osb
    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England
  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Member Posts: 20,525
    Double post. And the answer here is the same as the other one: no, it is not correct.
    Br. Jamie, osb
    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England
  • Big Ed_4
    Big Ed_4 Member Posts: 2,080
    edited October 2022
    The red wires from zone valve are wired in Parallel to tt . The remote transformer it wired in series to thermostat and zone valves , Transformer -RH in thermostat- W in thermostat -yellow wire zone valve .Other yellow wire zone valve - common transformer . The one in the aquastat will power the control with oil , with gas it will power the gas valve .. Tip , wire in a three amp fuse to protect the transformer .
    I have enough experience to know , that I dont know it all
    MikeAmann
  • Erin Holohan Haskell
    Erin Holohan Haskell Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 1,988

    Double post. And the answer here is the same as the other one: no, it is not correct.

    I merged these double posts. Thanks.
    President
    HeatingHelp.com
  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 5,003
    edited October 2022
    What Zone valves do you have? Honeywell



    The wiring on some of there are different than the wiring on others.

    also if you place a 3 AMP automotive fuse on the R terminal of your transformer then place all the wires removed from the R terminal on the other end of the fuse with a wire nut, you will save your transformer from failure while trying to connect to the system. Just in case you make a mistake
    Edward Young Retired HVAC Contractor & HYDRONICIAN Services first oil burner at age 16 P/T trainer for EH-CC.org
    MikeAmann
  • ROBBINJE1
    ROBBINJE1 Member Posts: 4

  • ROBBINJE1
    ROBBINJE1 Member Posts: 4
    This picture is of what I have on oil burner in regards with two transformers in parallel 
  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Member Posts: 20,525
    The remote transformer, assuming your sketch is correct, is powering the thermostat and the zone valve. I don't see another transformer?
    Br. Jamie, osb
    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England
  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 5,003
    edited October 2022
    This the second time you started a new discussion with the same question. You will not get a different answer no matter how many times you ask. Now that I know what zone valves you have I can offer this.

    Your wiring should look like this

    Just because there are only 3 terminals on the Taco 571 actuator does not put the transformer in the Honeywell aquastat in a series circuit or a parallel circuit with the zone valve transformer.

    Your diagram looks exactly like the factory diagram.

    The problem will arise if you attempt to add a smart thermostat that requires the use of the C terminal from the zone valve transformer

    OR

    If someone swaps the #2 terminal with the #3 terminal on subsequent zone valves actuators. or you swap the R and the W on the thermostat, there may be a problem with transformer failure.

    For the system wiring to not have a conflict with the transformer in the aquastat and the transformer for the zone valves you MUST make sure that all the #2 terminals are connected to the same T terminal in the aquastat and all the#3 terminals are connected to the other T terminal on the aquastat. I recommend that the R terminal on the transformer connect to the R on each thermostat and the W from the thermostat be connected to #1 terminal on the zone valve. The following illustration will be a problem.

    Although any of the above wiring diagrams may be acceptable individually, when you combine different wiring designs on the same system, there Will be a problem with the transformer failure.

    @Erin Holohan Haskell please merge this dicussion with https://forum.heatinghelp.com/discussion/189591/oil-burner-taco-valves#latest


    Edward Young Retired HVAC Contractor & HYDRONICIAN Services first oil burner at age 16 P/T trainer for EH-CC.org
  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 5,003
    This the second time you started a new discussion with the same question. You will not get a different answer no matter how many times you ask. Now that I know what zone valves you have I can offer this.

    Your wiring should look like this

    Just because there are only 3 terminals on the Taco 571 actuator does not put the transformer in the Honeywell aquastat in a series circuit or a parallel circuit with the zone valve transformer.

    Your diagram looks exactly like the factory diagram.

    The problem will arise if you attempt to add a smart thermostat that requires the use of the C terminal from the zone valve transformer

    OR

    If someone swaps the #2 terminal with the #3 terminal on subsequent zone valves actuators. or you swap the R and the W on the thermostat, there may be a problem with transformer failure.

    For the system wiring to not have a conflict with the transformer in the aquastat and the transformer for the zone valves you MUST make sure that all the #2 terminals are connected to the same T terminal in the aquastat and all the#3 terminals are connected to the other T terminal on the aquastat. I recommend that the R terminal on the transformer connect to the R on each thermostat and the W from the thermostat be connected to #1 terminal on the zone valve. The following illustration will be a problem.

    Although any of the above wiring diagrams may be acceptable individually, when you combine different wiring designs on the same system, there Will be a problem with the transformer failure.

    @Erin Holohan Haskell please merge this discussion with https://forum.heatinghelp.com/discussion/189591/oil-burner-taco-valves#latest


    Edward Young Retired HVAC Contractor & HYDRONICIAN Services first oil burner at age 16 P/T trainer for EH-CC.org
  • ROBBINJE1
    ROBBINJE1 Member Posts: 4
    Thanks for your response, I was only questioning the fact that there is two 24v sources on terminal TT on the Honeywell controller,it seems different then I am used to, I am a retired electrician/ consultant and paralleled many bigger transformers, they were always the same impedance. Thanks again for you help  

  • Erin Holohan Haskell
    Erin Holohan Haskell Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 1,988
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    HeatingHelp.com
  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Member Posts: 20,525
    ROBBINJE1 said:

    Thanks for your response, I was only questioning the fact that there is two 24v sources on terminal TT on the Honeywell controller,it seems different then I am used to, I am a retired electrician/ consultant and paralleled many bigger transformers, they were always the same impedance. Thanks again for you help  

    There aren't, really, if you actually follow the circuits through. The zone valves have three terminals. The upper two -- one and two -- require power (from that transformer shown) to operate the valve. The lower two -- two and three -- are a simple end switch. Now it happens that terminal two is shared between two completely separate circuits -- not a design I care for much, but there it is. So one circuit is the external transformer, the thermostats, and the zone valve motors. The other circuit is the internal transformer, the zone valve end switches, and the boiler control.

    Perhaps if you think of terminal 2 as the neutral in a conventional 120/240 VAC power wiring it might help.
    Br. Jamie, osb
    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England