New Yorker Boiler Boom Noise
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I just had put in a new furnace in my house New Yorker but every time that goes off it’s a big boom Noise I called the plumber and he’s telling me that It’s pipe hitting pipe never had a problem with the old one I changed it because it had more than 50 years I Think that the noise comes out from ZVC405-4 but he say no can somebody advise me what to do0
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@rufino Going to ask "the boss" to move this to a new thread.
Need alot more information.
Model #? Gas/Oil/Propane?
Odd the installer won't come out.
Is it a combustion boom?
Pictures would help.There was an error rendering this rich post.
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remove the ice cube relays one at a time until the buzzing goes away. then you should be able to just replace the bad one. you can check the bad one by putting a good one in the spot of the bad one. unless you are having a voltage issue that should solve your issue.0
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Sounds like a bang when go off trying to see if I could post the video but I don’t see how to post a video . He came back yesterday and said that it was Pipe Hitting pipe But he changed to zoning Valve And this morning the noise was less0
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I find that most of the pipes, relays and transformers HUMMM because they have forgotten the words. Try putting the sheet music in plain view and see if the humming stops.
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After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?
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Moved it to a new thread here. Thanks!STEVEusaPA said:@rufino Going to ask "the boss" to move this to a new thread.
Need alot more information.
Model #? Gas/Oil/Propane?
Odd the installer won't come out.
Is it a combustion boom?
Pictures would help.President
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When I think of a BOOM, I think of a gas ignition problem. When I think of a BANG, I think of a piping problem. Be more descriptive of the noise and try to isolate where it is coming from.0
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Unrelated to the noise, that boiler is probably way too close to the flammable wood studs.
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Looks like it requires 1" according to the nameplate in the picture.The Steam Whisperer said:Unrelated to the noise, that boiler is probably way too close to the flammable wood studs.
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Well it looks like nobody could help me out and this bang keeps me driving me crazy and the plumber doesn’t have no idea either what’s making that bang0
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Make a video and put in on hear so techs can listen. There can be multiple issues that cause banging.0
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My thought too.The Steam Whisperer said:Unrelated to the noise, that boiler is probably way too close to the flammable wood studs.0 -
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I think that I have pinned the bang .Will the Honeywell zone valve make the bang ?
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Yes, any fast acting valve that closes can cause a bang but the honeywell zone valve body has to close against the flow not with the flow. So i think that would kinda rule out a water hammer as the flow would limit a snap acting closure. I thought he changed the zone valve?
Manually open all zone valves and then cycle the boiler by the switch. This leaves the opening and closing of the valves out of the equation but would still allow expansion noise to exist. if it happens with zone valves open then you have to look at expansion.
I think you should look at that Honeywell zvc hanging bracket. It almost looks like pipes are going to be resting on it. When the zone calls the copper expands and pops off the bracket.
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Are you pumping away from the expansion tank Looks like the circulator and zone valves are on the return side0
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Thanks the plumber is coming Monday I will show him the comments this is driving me super crazy because he keeps saying no that this is possible that it’s pipe hitting pipe somewhere loose in the house.pedmec said:Yes, any fast acting valve that closes can cause a bang but the honeywell zone valve body has to close against the flow not with the flow. So i think that would kinda rule out a water hammer as the flow would limit a snap acting closure. I thought he changed the zone valve?
Manually open all zone valves and then cycle the boiler by the switch. This leaves the opening and closing of the valves out of the equation but would still allow expansion noise to exist. if it happens with zone valves open then you have to look at expansion.
I think you should look at that Honeywell zvc hanging bracket. It almost looks like pipes are going to be resting on it. When the zone calls the copper expands and pops off the bracket.
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ronbugg said:
Are you pumping away from the expansion tank Looks like the circulator and zone valves are on the return side
Thanks I will show the Comment the plumber when he comes on Mondayronbugg said:Are you pumping away from the expansion tank Looks like the circulator and zone valves are on the return side
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You can post it on YouTube and then share the link here. Thanks!rufino said:Make a video and put in on hear so techs can listen. There can be multiple issues that cause banging.
Have one but don’t know how to post it herePresident
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I would try to narrow it down. See when it happens. Turn on one zone at a time; wait 5 minutes and then turn it off. Do it on all four zones.8.33 lbs./gal. x 60 min./hr. x 20°ΔT = 10,000 BTU's/hour
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As mentioned above, seems like the zone valves and the pump are all on the return. There is an arrow on the pump that indicates direction of flow. Check that and post back.0
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All zone bang Waiting for the plumber to come and check hopefully he shows upI would try to narrow it down. See when it happens. Turn on one zone at a time; wait 5 minutes and then turn it off. Do it on all four zones.
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Can you take a picture of the back of the pump? Put your phone behind the pump and switch view.8.33 lbs./gal. x 60 min./hr. x 20°ΔT = 10,000 BTU's/hour
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It looks like the circulator is mounted going the wrong way. If you look close at the circulator you can see the molding of the volute. You can see the molding for the flocheck on the circulator discharge. so its pumping into the boiler and zone valves. this is forcing the zone valve closed mostly causing the "bang".
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Can you take a picture of the back of the pump? Put your phone behind the pump and switch view.
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Your circulator is pumping upward.0
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Thanks text the plumber have an answer me back hopefully he show upScottSecor said:Your circulator is pumping upward.
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rufino said:
Thanks text the plumber have an answer me back hopefully he show upScottSecor said:Your circulator is pumping upward.
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If @ScottSecor is right and I think he is, the pump is pumping in the wrong direction. Not only that, it is pumping towards the expansion tank and it should be pumping away from the expansion tank. The sound you hear is from the zone valves slamming shut which happens when water is flowing the wrong direction. The zone valves have an arrow on them that shows the direction of flow.
This is from the installation instructions that shows the pump pumping towards the zone valves. The expansion tank should be located just before the pump, i.e. on the suction side of the pump.
Have your installer make it right. 8.33 lbs./gal. x 60 min./hr. x 20°ΔT = 10,000 BTU's/hour
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Thank AlanIf @ScottSecor is right and I think he is, the pump is pumping in the wrong direction. Not only that, it is pumping towards the expansion tank and it should be pumping away from the expansion tank. The sound you hear is from the zone valves slamming shut which happens when water is flowing the wrong direction. The zone valves have an arrow on them that shows the direction of flow.
This is from the installation instructions that shows the pump pumping towards the zone valves. The expansion tank should be located just before the pump, i.e. on the suction side of the pump.Have your installer make it right.
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To all of yours that are trying to help me thank you very much I just received a text from the plumber that he will not show up today because his birthday was on the weekend and he ate something that got him sick.0
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Yeah, he's sick from eating humble pie because he mess up the installation.2
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Regret hiring this guy he just text me back and told me that he will not accept nobody’s opinion that he’s been in business for 37 years I wish that I had the money to hire somebody else and fix the problem thanks everybody again for trying to help me out I appreciate it.0 -
If he's licensed, he's obligated to fix it on his dime.
There are do's and don'ts in hydronic heating. He's done a few don'ts and hopefully, he will learn from them.
He should also insulate all the piping as it will save fuel.8.33 lbs./gal. x 60 min./hr. x 20°ΔT = 10,000 BTU's/hour
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Thanks for letting me know that yes he do have a license the problem is I don’t want to deal with him anymore because since day one that I told him the problem he should’ve correct it and it’s taken him three weeks to find the problem. he did the job on September 25If he's licensed, he's obligated to fix it on his dime.
There are do's and don'ts in hydronic heating. He's done a few don'ts and hopefully, he will learn from them.
He should also insulate all the piping as it will save fuel.0
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