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Rotary wirebrush atomizer -- good alternative burner for viscous oil?

cowdog
cowdog Member Posts: 75
edited June 15 in Oil Heating


Heating oil is predicted to be unaffordable this winter.

Alternatives, such as waste oil, #6 fuel oil, biomass pyrolysis oil and coal water slurry, have high viscosity. Except coal water slurry, viscosity can be reduced by pre-heating.

An affordable burner for these affordable fuels is greatly needed.

"handheld rotary tools" is a power tool with variable speed up to 35000rpm from a coreless motor, maximum driving power around 150w.

Rotary cup atomizer, also called rotary bell, is a proven oil burner technology with sophisticated internal structure that is better made with a 3D printer. Without a metal sintering 3D printer, how to make

The youtube video demonstrates using a wirebrush wheel as alternative to cup to atomize water.

I guess this could be improved:
  1. The air blower output and rotary cup could be enclosed in a round tube to increase air speed.
  2. There could be an oil return hole and return line to collect oil that has not been atomized

Comments

  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 3,180
    edited June 16
    That is perfect. Let's all go into our garage and find some old parts that are lying around that might be able to burn free fuel (like waste oil that auto oil change shops need to pay to dispose of) and will probably cause a major fire or carbon monoxide poisoning. You know if you use the fuel without venting it into a chimney, it will be more efficient. Most of the efficiency loss from burning oil is the heat wasted that goes up the chimney. Aladdin and Kero-sun were popular in the 1970s and 80s for this type heater.

    Ask any firefighter about heating systems and fire deaths

    This is an interesting video in how liquids will atomize with a rotary burner. BUT should have a disclaimer
    DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME !
    Edward Young
    Retired HVAC Contractor from So. Jersey.
    Services first oil burner at age 16
    P/T trainer for EH-CC.org
  • HVACNUT
    HVACNUT Member Posts: 4,590
    edited June 16
    But can it core a apple?
    EdTheHeaterMan
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 15,329
    HVACNUT said:

    But can it core an apple?

    "Can it core a apple"?
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
    EdTheHeaterMan
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 12,819
    Ok calm down chef of the future.
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment
    EdTheHeaterMan
  • retiredguy
    retiredguy Member Posts: 606
    Wow,that looks like an accident or explosion is coming soon to a place in your back yard. Atomized oil of any grade is extremely volatile and explosive. I hope you do your home work. Have you looked at an old S T Johnson or Iron Fireman rotary burner. The older S T Johnson's will fire almost any flammable liquid that can be pushed through a piece of tubing into a "spinning cup"and at a very low pressure. They do have their limitations. Try to find one and reverse engineer it or use it as it is. There were tons of them sold to schools in western Pa.
    CLamb
  • cowdog
    cowdog Member Posts: 75
    edited June 16

    Have you looked at an old S T Johnson or Iron Fireman rotary burner. The older S T Johnson's will fire almost any flammable liquid that can be pushed through a piece of tubing into a "spinning cup"and at a very low pressure. They do have their limitations. Try to find one and reverse engineer it or use it as it is. There were tons of them sold to schools in western Pa.

    Where can I buy or borrow one for studying? Search on eBay didn't find any
  • leonz
    leonz Member Posts: 489
    That video reminds me of an oil well drilling platforms gas discharge except that you cannot see the gas until the fellow using the flare gun shoots the flare into the high pressure methane gas flowing out of the bypass tube inside the steel girders that support the gas pipe and it explodes and then continues burning.

    All that wasted raw methane gas was lost for no good reason.
  • retiredguy
    retiredguy Member Posts: 606
    You could call the company I used to work for and ask them. Call CS&E Pittsburgh, Pa. and ask to speak to Tim Fugh 412-821-8900. If they can't help then I do not know who to call.
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 11,987
    Burning #6 oil or anything similar in a house is suicide.

    No insurance company or any regulatory agency would cover any loss.

    This ground has already been plowed.

    Give it up.
    bburd
  • ratio
    ratio Member Posts: 3,173

    Burning #6 oil or anything similar in a house is suicide.

    No insurance company or any regulatory agency would cover any loss.

    This ground has already been plowed.

    Give it up.

    Never give up! Where would we be if Rube Goldberg gave up just because someone said it couldn't be done!
    EdTheHeaterMan
  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 3,180
    I know of a guy that has a Timkin Boiler still in the crate sitting is a warehouse. His father was a Timkin boiler dealer in the 1950s
    Edward Young
    Retired HVAC Contractor from So. Jersey.
    Services first oil burner at age 16
    P/T trainer for EH-CC.org
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 12,819
    Burning #6 oil or anything similar in a house is suicide. No insurance company or any regulatory agency would cover any loss. This ground has already been plowed. Give it up.
    I thought the op said this was for some industrial equipment in a foreign country?
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment
    ratioCLamb
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 11,987
    edited June 19
    Rotary burners for heavy oil where the standard in this country from the 20s to the late 60s. They were mostly outlawed for air pollution reasons. There is only one company in the US that still makes rotary's and that is Preferred Utilities, Danbury, CT. They are still used in Europe I think.
  • cowdog
    cowdog Member Posts: 75

    Burning #6 oil or anything similar in a house is suicide.

    No insurance company or any regulatory agency would cover any loss.

    This ground has already been plowed.

    Give it up.

    Insurance deal with safety, what are the safety risks of #6 fuel oil?
    What if we can put in a redneck diesel particulate filter to filter out the soot? It's fixed installation so the filter can be much larger than a truck DPF and have less air resistance.