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Who Gets To Work on Steam?

HeatingHelp
HeatingHelp Posts: 464
edited November 17 in THE MAIN WALL
imageWho Gets To Work on Steam?

Everyone who wants to gets to work on steam-heating systems. And that's not always a good thing. In the business of messing with old steam systems, we've seen it all.

Read the full story here

JohnNY

Comments

  • BradHotNCold
    BradHotNCold Member Posts: 49
    Even homeowners!
    ChrisJ
  • ratio
    ratio Member Posts: 2,921
    It must me nice to go to bed every night knowing that, no matter how bad you screw it up, someone else will fix it. On their dime.
    mattmia2
  • JUGHNE
    JUGHNE Member Posts: 8,941


    This is just like the picture at the top of this posting, which is an up feed system.

    This is a down feed from the attic (thankfully no vent in the attic as this is 2 pipe).

    So this "P" trap is reversed. ;)

    This drop lost it's drip in some remodeling.

    But surprisingly it does heat without hammer. (2 psi or so).
  • DanHolohan
    DanHolohan Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 15,425
    HAHAHAHA!!!
    Retired and loving it.
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 3,957

    Even homeowners!

    At least homeowners are at least aware that the instructions exist even if they don't understand them.
    ChrisJ
  • JUGHNE
    JUGHNE Member Posts: 8,941
    I bet mine heats better than yours.....your rad is sloped the wrong way.....but then you have better looking flooring. :)
  • Dave in QCA
    Dave in QCA Member Posts: 1,766
    I had to smile when I read your comments on the HeatTimer sensor locations. The comparable system from Tekmar show a proper location for the sensor on 1-pipe steam, but on 2-pipe, they show that it should be installed on the condensate return line on the radiator furthers from the boiler. This, of course, would cause HUGE swings in building temperature, the opposite of the HeatTimer and/or Tekmar are supposed to do. Every now and then, thankfully not often, the instructions are just dead wrong.
    Dave in Quad Cities, America
    Weil-McLain 680 with Riello 2-stage burner, December 2012. Firing rate=375MBH Low, 690MBH Hi.
    System = Early Dunham 2-pipe Vacuo-Vapor (inlet and outlet both at bottom of radiators) Traps are Dunham #2 rebuilt w. Barnes-Jones Cage Units, Dunham-Bush 1E, Mepco 1E, and Armstrong TS-2. All valves haveTunstall orifices sized at 8 oz.
    Current connected load EDR= 1,259 sq ft, Original system EDR = 2,100 sq ft Vaporstat, 13 oz cutout, 4 oz cutin - Temp. control Tekmar 279.
    http://grandviewdavenport.com
  • DanHolohan
    DanHolohan Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 15,425
    Good one, Dave. 
    Retired and loving it.
  • SgtMaj
    SgtMaj Member Posts: 10
    I ran across a hot water radiator the other day that was piped similarly to your photo Dan. It had 5 elbows a mass of nipples and a union. This was the return side of a hot water radiator.
  • DanHolohan
    DanHolohan Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 15,425
    I suppose that’s what he had on the truck. 🤫
    Retired and loving it.
    PC7060
  • ttekushan_3
    ttekushan_3 Member Posts: 940
    Great stories! The chemical story reminded me of what was a new client for me almost 15 years ago. They had signed up for a chemical contract but there wasn’t any sign of a mixing station, dosing pumps or anything else other than a big glass measuring cup. Same as your situation- they decided to put a month’s worth of sodium hydroxide in all in one dose. That’s when I was referred in.

    Let me put it this way: I’m glad I wasn’t there to witness a 120HP Scotch marine heating boiler eject it’s water contents into the header and 8” two story tall main. The entire massive assembly literally jumped with a water hammer that shook this sizable building.

    Apparently a clean change of shorts was the order of the day.

    You can’t take a month’s worth of medication on one day. Same is true of boiler chemicals!

    Darn good stories, indeed. Thanks Dan!
    terry
    Dave in QCA
  • DanHolohan
    DanHolohan Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 15,425
    Good one, Terry! Thanks for sharing.
    Retired and loving it.
    Dave in QCA
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 11,970

    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment
    Dave in QCA
  • DavidDow_2
    DavidDow_2 Member Posts: 11
    We get to see what geniuses do. Sometimes quite dangerous, like installing boilers without permits, inspections or 30# relief valves.
    I have had to call the local inspector to see big problems. This way I don't get hung for the knuckehead's poor work. A behind saver.
    Also, nearly all steam boilers I service have been improperly installed and/or overfired by others.
    The Hacks call us dinosaurs. We call them Hacks!