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Old Wall Heater NYC Lower West Side

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D107
D107 Member Posts: 1,849
edited October 2021 in THE MAIN WALL
Must be hot water?
--saw no vents. One original piece or joined? Beauties.

Solid_Fuel_Man

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  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 9,639
    edited October 2021
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    Looks like 2 pipe steam but would need to see a better picture of the other end. Could be 2 pipe steam with an orifice and no steam trap or water seal on the condensate as well. Would probably have a bleeder valve if it is hot water.

    And they are separate castings either bolted together on the back with push nipples or screwed together with left/right nipples.
    D107
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 16,835
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    They're small wall radiators joined together to make a big one, as @mattmia2 said.

    It looks like the return is smaller than the supply, so that tells me it's probably steam. But we do need to see the other end.
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  • D107
    D107 Member Posts: 1,849
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    I'll see if I can get someone I know in the building to snap another shot from the other direction sometime...Considering their likely age, not many coats of paint appear to be there, so either it might have been sandblasted at one time, or, more likely, paint jobs were very infrequent in such industrial buildings. (Built 1910, 220,000 sq ft. 10 floors.)
  • DanHolohan
    DanHolohan Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 16,526
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    It’s steam. 
    Retired and loving it.
  • Solid_Fuel_Man
    Solid_Fuel_Man Member Posts: 2,646
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    If Dan says it's steam.....then IT IS STEAM. LOL.
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  • JohnNY
    JohnNY Member Posts: 3,230
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    Take that out and put some fin tube there.
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  • Solid_Fuel_Man
    Solid_Fuel_Man Member Posts: 2,646
    edited October 2021
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    I agree @JohnNY. Some high quality Home Depot fin tube and some pex would really dress up that steamed iron. 

    Delightful!
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  • D107
    D107 Member Posts: 1,849
    edited October 2021
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    Had someone snap a shot for me, though at this point apparently not needed to verify. To the very far right looks like a smaller rad return from the floor above paralleling the main riser? (seen better in first photo.)


  • Alan (California Radiant) Forbes
    Alan (California Radiant) Forbes Member Posts: 4,002
    edited October 2021
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    If that's steam, I'd like to know how it works without return traps.

    @mattmia2 said orifice plates, maybe?
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  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Member Posts: 23,283
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    Either orifice plates or calibrated valves -- which were very common in the day -- combined with close control of steam pressure, which was also very common in the day. Works just fine.

    Now you get some happy Harry who figures if a little is good a lot is a lot better and cranks the pressure up to some astronomical level, and another one who comes along and says that his space is too cold and the valve doesn't work and replaces it with a standard valve rather than the calibrated one and... problems.
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  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 16,835
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    Maybe the trap is under the floor?
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