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Primary/secondary

Broco4
Broco4 Member Posts: 1
Hello, I just had a radiant system
 installed for my warehouse. I know plumbing but not a heating specialist. I would like to know your opinion on this installation. I am disappointed with the choice of materials and it seems to me that the configuration of the primary and secondary loop is not correct. Are the "T's" well placed?

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  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 15,452
    I would be pretty happy with that looks like someone did a decent job from what I can see. The tees are fine
    Canucker
  • Ironman
    Ironman Member Posts: 7,367
    8 diameters of straight pipe going into the Tees and 4 diameters of straight pipe coming out is optimal.
    Yours looks pretty close and should work fine.
    I would have used an MBR (SpiroVent) instead of the air scoop.
    Bob Boan
    You can choose to do what you want, but you cannot choose the consequences.
  • JUGHNE
    JUGHNE Member Posts: 11,042
    Your pipe fitter must have a lot of confidence in his assembly. I see no union other than the pump flanges and I would guess each manifold has a union connection.

    Me, being nervous Nellie, would have thrown a couple of unions in the black pipe.
    PC7060
  • mjstraw
    mjstraw Member Posts: 41
    edited October 2021
    Circs wired with lamp cord?  At second glance looks like romex.  I'd use MC.
    Mark
    Indiana PA

  • Colorado_Dave
    Colorado_Dave Member Posts: 6
    It's not wrong to use black iron, but I hope they put an inhibitor in the system.   I would have done copper myself.  However, the layout and design doesn't look out of sorts.

    It looks like a single zone system which could have been piped as a single pump system (quiet for a second, I adore P/S piping)... but it could have been done with a single pump with a properly sized bypass to keep boiler flow up, but primary/ secondary is a great choice for keeping your flow rate where you need it.

    I would have supported the expansion tank using an Holdrite QS-U bracket because that black nipple will snap like a twig without the aforementioned inhibitor in a few years. 

    I agree with a previous poster that I would have had a couple extra unions for serviceability and would have used an air separator like Spirovent or Honeywell SuperVent.

    I also would have skipped the auto feeder.  If you have a leak, it's 4.6 gallon capacity isn't going to get you too far especially for the cost.... but some locations require it. 

  • psb75
    psb75 Member Posts: 828
    The TPR valve under the boiler doesn't look "Kosher" with two 90's on it. Just sayin'.
    I also agree about supporting the x-tank properly...for when it fails.
  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 22,022
    I would also like to see a better air separator. Those scoop type never get the micro-bubbles and entrained air out 100%.
    And with all the steel piping you may get some magnetite formation. A high efficiency multi-purpose device like this would be sweet.
    Micro bubble air removal, dirt separation and magnetic separation.
    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
    IronmanHomerJSmithSTEVEusaPASuperTech
  • Ironman
    Ironman Member Posts: 7,367
    hot_rod said:
    I would also like to see a better air separator. Those scoop type never get the micro-bubbles and entrained air out 100%. And with all the steel piping you may get some magnetite formation. A high efficiency multi-purpose device like this would be sweet. Micro bubble air removal, dirt separation and magnetic separation.
    Bob, what’s the catalog number for that?
    Bob Boan
    You can choose to do what you want, but you cannot choose the consequences.
  • CMadatMe
    CMadatMe Member Posts: 3,086
    edited October 2021
    Piping is fine. Would copper have been better, yes. Using a good hydronic system cleaner during yearly service will assist in the longevity. What I hate and it's a thorn for me, is the expansion tank/air elimination on the system (secondary) side. I will go to my grave with the proper placement being on the primary return side. You're still pumping away and are providing protection of the boilers heat exchanger. In any pri/sec piping arrangement velocity slows at those closely spaced tee's or a Low Loss header and that's the point most susceptible to air coming out of solution.
    "The bitter taste of a poor installation remains much longer than the sweet taste of the lowest price."