Welcome! Here are the website rules, as well as some tips for using this forum.
Need to contact us? Visit https://heatinghelp.com/contact-us/.
Click here to Find a Contractor in your area.
Primary/secondary
Broco4
Member Posts: 1
Hello, I just had a radiant system
installed for my warehouse. I know plumbing but not a heating specialist. I would like to know your opinion on this installation. I am disappointed with the choice of materials and it seems to me that the configuration of the primary and secondary loop is not correct. Are the "T's" well placed?
0
Comments
-
-
8 diameters of straight pipe going into the Tees and 4 diameters of straight pipe coming out is optimal.
Yours looks pretty close and should work fine.
I would have used an MBR (SpiroVent) instead of the air scoop.Bob Boan
You can choose to do what you want, but you cannot choose the consequences.0 -
-
Circs wired with lamp cord? At second glance looks like romex. I'd use MC.Mark
Indiana PA0 -
It's not wrong to use black iron, but I hope they put an inhibitor in the system. I would have done copper myself. However, the layout and design doesn't look out of sorts.
It looks like a single zone system which could have been piped as a single pump system (quiet for a second, I adore P/S piping)... but it could have been done with a single pump with a properly sized bypass to keep boiler flow up, but primary/ secondary is a great choice for keeping your flow rate where you need it.
I would have supported the expansion tank using an Holdrite QS-U bracket because that black nipple will snap like a twig without the aforementioned inhibitor in a few years.
I agree with a previous poster that I would have had a couple extra unions for serviceability and would have used an air separator like Spirovent or Honeywell SuperVent.
I also would have skipped the auto feeder. If you have a leak, it's 4.6 gallon capacity isn't going to get you too far especially for the cost.... but some locations require it.
0 -
The TPR valve under the boiler doesn't look "Kosher" with two 90's on it. Just sayin'.
I also agree about supporting the x-tank properly...for when it fails.0 -
I would also like to see a better air separator. Those scoop type never get the micro-bubbles and entrained air out 100%.
And with all the steel piping you may get some magnetite formation. A high efficiency multi-purpose device like this would be sweet.
Micro bubble air removal, dirt separation and magnetic separation.Bob "hot rod" Rohr
trainer for Caleffi NA
Living the hydronic dream4 -
hot_rod said:I would also like to see a better air separator. Those scoop type never get the micro-bubbles and entrained air out 100%. And with all the steel piping you may get some magnetite formation. A high efficiency multi-purpose device like this would be sweet. Micro bubble air removal, dirt separation and magnetic separation.Bob Boan
You can choose to do what you want, but you cannot choose the consequences.0 -
There was an error rendering this rich post.
0 -
Piping is fine. Would copper have been better, yes. Using a good hydronic system cleaner during yearly service will assist in the longevity. What I hate and it's a thorn for me, is the expansion tank/air elimination on the system (secondary) side. I will go to my grave with the proper placement being on the primary return side. You're still pumping away and are providing protection of the boilers heat exchanger. In any pri/sec piping arrangement velocity slows at those closely spaced tee's or a Low Loss header and that's the point most susceptible to air coming out of solution.
There was an error rendering this rich post.
0
Categories
- All Categories
- 86.3K THE MAIN WALL
- 3.1K A-C, Heat Pumps & Refrigeration
- 53 Biomass
- 422 Carbon Monoxide Awareness
- 90 Chimneys & Flues
- 2K Domestic Hot Water
- 5.4K Gas Heating
- 100 Geothermal
- 156 Indoor-Air Quality
- 3.4K Oil Heating
- 64 Pipe Deterioration
- 917 Plumbing
- 6.1K Radiant Heating
- 381 Solar
- 14.9K Strictly Steam
- 3.3K Thermostats and Controls
- 54 Water Quality
- 41 Industry Classes
- 47 Job Opportunities
- 17 Recall Announcements