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What’s your heat bill a month
Nickkendall
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I have a 36x 60 house with floor heat 3/4 tubes 18” centers been heating it with a 9 kw boiler and costing about 200$ a month for heat I am now adding a 32x56 garage with 3/4 pex 18” So I will be heating roughly 4000sq feet So a rough thought is 4000 x 50 btu loss = 200,000 btu boiler This seems high but I want fast recovery time when doors opened and would sooner be on oversize as I will be adding another 30x30 lean to
this was my first attempt at heating as I built my own house and did everything except electrical so any help is Greatly appreciated
this was my first attempt at heating as I built my own house and did everything except electrical so any help is Greatly appreciated
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@Nickkendall That is a very tough question to answer considering all the variables that exist.
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50 btu is a very high guesstimate The home is possibly in the 20’s if the shop is well insulated it could also be in that range also
Remember the slab is a huge flywheel as soon as the door closes the space will warm back up quickly. I’d guess the load for both spaces closer to 100,000.
A load calc would help pinpoint the numbers.Bob "hot rod" Rohr
trainer for Caleffi NA
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You can more for your cable bill. Enjoy the Winter , it all most over ...
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As was mentioned, it's very subjective. Location, construction, insulation, local utility rates, etc all play a role. Your 9 kw boiler is only 31,000 BTU (15 BTU per sq ft, not 50) and you'd be less than doubling the space so..... In theory, 60k would be adequate assuming the building construction is the same. There is a way to calculate heat loss of the space, you can't just throw a "BTU per sq ft" figure at it. For example, I heat a 40x40x14 shop and a 32x48x10 garage both with electric boilers and radiant slabs in MN; it's currently -24*F outside. My electric rate is around $.13/kwh (one kw equals 3412 BTU, these numbers are relative) and I can keep both buildings heated to 55 degrees all winter for about $300/mo average meaning I use approximately 7.9M BTU per month which averages out to about 11,000 BTU per hour. The heat loss of my big shop is calculated out to just under 40k if I remember correctly (at design temp of -20F) and the garage came in at under 20k as it's super insulated. There's a method to the madness, it's just a matter of proper system design.3
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GroundUp said:As was mentioned, it's very subjective. Location, construction, insulation, local utility rates, etc all play a role. Your 9 kw boiler is only 31,000 BTU (15 BTU per sq ft, not 50) and you'd be less than doubling the space so..... In theory, 60k would be adequate assuming the building construction is the same. There is a way to calculate heat loss of the space, you can't just throw a "BTU per sq ft" figure at it. For example, I heat a 40x40x14 shop and a 32x48x10 garage both with electric boilers and radiant slabs in MN; it's currently -24*F outside. My electric rate is around $.13/kwh (one kw equals 3412 BTU, these numbers are relative) and I can keep both buildings heated to 55 degrees all winter for about $300/mo average meaning I use approximately 7.9M BTU per month which averages out to about 11,000 BTU per hour. The heat loss of my big shop is calculated out to just under 40k if I remember correctly (at design temp of -20F) and the garage came in at under 20k as it's super insulated. There's a method to the madness, it's just a matter of proper system design.
So what is the method to getting a Efficient system like you have Getting the right boiler size and flow rate?
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You building is what dictates the amount of heat required and the related cost. Always the best money you can spend is upgrading the building shell. The thermostat on the wall really doesn't know or care what the outdoor condition is, it just wants to maintain the inside condition.
Something often missed is infiltration. See if you can have a blower door test performed, sometimes utility companies offer that service as part of a weatherization project. If not it is worth paying for. You might be amazed when the computer spits out how large of an opening in square inches your home or shop has to the great outdoors.
Can lights, kitchen vent hoods, bathroom fans, insulation detail around plugs and switches, weatherstrips around doors, are the main leakage. Overhead garage door seals are another tough insulation detail.
A look at the inside and outside with an Infrared camera may shock you also, it clearly shows insulation and infiltration concerns.
Once the building is tightened up, next look at the most efficient way to convert your fuel to heat energy.The lowest possible supply temperature is going to be the most efficient way to move the energy, period. Many hydronic controls can watch and adjust that, I feel the indoor reset and feedback is the key, indoor and outdoor reset even better. You want to add the heat to the space at the exact same rate it is losing heat, at the lowest possible temperature. Setback is not a good match with radiant panel heat.
Obviously opening and closing shop doors is going to cost, really no way around that.
With radiant, as soon as the door closes the heat bottled up in the slab, travels at the speed of light to warm any cold objects you bring in. The space ambient temperature will recover quickly. It is a huge difference compared to ceiling mounted forced air, in that regard.Bob "hot rod" Rohr
trainer for Caleffi NA
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Thanks for the great answers I think I am going to invest in a thermal gun0
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How does that work if I want to add heat at the same rate it is lost as I’m assuming it’s lost at a constant nonstop rate and I don’t want my boiler running nonstop? Say I loose 100,000 btu and hr and I get 100,000 btu heater does that mean it would be running nonstop?0
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Nickkendall said:How does that work if I want to add heat at the same rate it is lost as I’m assuming it’s lost at a constant nonstop rate and I don’t want my boiler running nonstop? Say I loose 100,000 btu and hr and I get 100,000 btu heater does that mean it would be running nonstop?Bob "hot rod" Rohr
trainer for Caleffi NA
Living the hydronic dream2
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