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Dreams

Alan (California Radiant) Forbes
Alan (California Radiant) Forbes Member Posts: 3,502
edited April 2020 in Radiant Heating
I had a disturbing dream last night that on a flight home from Frankfurt, Germany, I realized that I left my suitcase in my hotel room. And then later, I woke myself and my wife up, flailing my arms and legs. The dream was that we were driving down a steep, winding hill and my legs weren't long enough to reach the brakes and we kept going faster and faster. Very quickly, the turns became difficult as we speeded up. Disturbing dreams in the middle of a pandemic.

As I lay there with my heart thumping, I started thinking about the way my heart works as a pump. There are two distinct pathways: from the heart to the lungs and back (pulmonary veins and arteries) and from the heart to and from all the other organs and parts of my body. Just like a primary-secondary hydronic system, only with one pump. The lungs are the boiler, absorbing oxygen from the air that we breathe and the organs and extremities are the distribution system, with the pump sending oxygen to every cell in your body. Human physiology is pretty impressive, no?

In addition to pumping, your heart acts as a low-loss header with a reservoir and four outlets.

I've always considered the primary pump for hydronic heating to be an expensive necessity as it only needs to overcome the pressure drop in the boiler and provide enough flow to pick up the heat from the HX; not that hard on most boilers. And piping a primary-secondary system takes time, even with pre-piped kits. And then I thought about one pump with four outlets that could do both primary and secondary duties; perhaps an ECM pump that could dial in the required flows for the boiler and the system. It could be offered stand-alone or directly connected to a low-loss header. It could even be incorporated inside the boiler with only system piping connections.

Any thoughts? I'm sure I'm not the first person to think of this.
8.33 lbs./gal. x 60 min./hr. x 20°ΔT = 10,000 BTU's/hour

Comments

  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Member Posts: 20,401
    Might work, @Alan (California Radiant) Forbes , for a heating system -- but you forget that although the heart has four chambers and two circuits, there is no mixing between the pulmonary side and the body side. Or there better not be! The circulation is from the body's main veins into the right atrium and then into the right ventricle -- a two stage pump, no less! -- then out to the lungs. Then return from the lungs into the left atrium and then the left ventricle (another two stage pump!) and out through the aorta and back to the body. Ingenious... amphibians and reptiles are three chambered, and there there is mixing.
    Br. Jamie, osb
    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England
    Alan (California Radiant) Forbes
  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 18,157
    edited April 2020
    The heart muscle is one of the longest lasting, low ,maintenance circulators available. Some run in excess of 100 years with little to no maintenance.
    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
  • nibs
    nibs Member Posts: 499
    Studies have concluded that all mammals get about a billion heartbeats per lifetime. They can use them at a rate of a thousand per minute, like the shrew, or space them out into slow, ponderous beats, over many years, as is the case for the Grey whale.
  • Canucker
    Canucker Member Posts: 717
    > @nibs said:
    > Studies have concluded that all mammals get about a billion heartbeats per lifetime. They can use them at a rate of a thousand per minute, like the shrew, or space them out into slow, ponderous beats, over many years, as is the case for the Grey whale.

    I hope it's more than that. At 60 bpm that's only 32 years
    You can have it good, fast or cheap. Pick two
  • You heard it here, fellas!
    8.33 lbs./gal. x 60 min./hr. x 20°ΔT = 10,000 BTU's/hour
  • nibs
    nibs Member Posts: 499
    @Canucker I seemed to recall hearing a BBC article calling out the number of heartbeats that most creatures have.
    So goggling it came up with the billion number and went with that.
    In England a billion used to be a million million, so you can rest easy .
  • psb75
    psb75 Member Posts: 629
    Most of the world's greatest problems are often "plumbing related"--and by extension "hvac as well". Think about it. Right now GM is struggling mightily with...ventilation.
    neilc