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Notre Dame Cathedral

Steve MinnichSteve Minnich Posts: 2,266Member
in Paris is ablaze. Speculation is that it’s related to renovations taking place. Either way, it’s a shame.

I sure hope it wasn’t a torch.

In the 80’s, I was installing ductwork in a house in Chicago when the plumber got careless soldering. The entire building was engulfed in flames within 10-15 minutes. One the scariest things I’ve experienced.

Let’s be careful out there.
Steve Minnich
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Comments

  • Erin Holohan HaskellErin Holohan Haskell Posts: 954Member, Moderator, Administrator
    Oh no! That's awful.
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  • SeanBeansSeanBeans Posts: 263Member
    =O

    That’s horrible
  • Jamie HallJamie Hall Posts: 10,145Member
    Whole roof and spire, at least... and all the windows, including the great western rose.

    Renovations are a nightmare.
    Jamie



    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England.



    Hoffman Equipped System (all original except boiler), Weil-Mclain 580, 2.75 gph Carlin, Vapourstat 0.5 -- 6.0 ounces per square inch
  • Intplm.Intplm. Posts: 596Member
    Said. And I had the pleasure of touring the Cathedral a few years back. Was beautiful. Looks terrible on the news. The salvage process will take years.
  • EBEBRATT-EdEBEBRATT-Ed Posts: 5,466Member
    Doesn't look good watching it now. French President declaring a national emergency...they want to try and save some of the art.

    Survived world wars etc now this
    very sad
  • Jamie HallJamie Hall Posts: 10,145Member
    From the latest videos (4:00 Eastern Daylight) it looks really devastating... you would think the stonework might survive, but not necessarily. It may be a total loss... catastrophe.
    Jamie



    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England.



    Hoffman Equipped System (all original except boiler), Weil-Mclain 580, 2.75 gph Carlin, Vapourstat 0.5 -- 6.0 ounces per square inch
  • DanHolohanDanHolohan Posts: 14,529Member, Moderator, Administrator
    It breaks my heart. I will never forget our visits there. Saying a rosary.
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  • SeanBeansSeanBeans Posts: 263Member
    Apparently there’s a piece of the cross that held Jesus in the cathedral.
  • DanHolohanDanHolohan Posts: 14,529Member, Moderator, Administrator
    His Crown of Thorns was in there.
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  • Big Ed_4Big Ed_4 Posts: 1,111Member
    A year or two back Kitty and I was there . Being a typical male New Yorker I decided to take the shorter line to the left in the square rather then the large line though the front ..It looked like a basement entrance ,I will be cool with that...Nope it went up , small steep narrow endless spiral stairs all the way up to Quasimodo's penthouse . My heart was pounding out of my chest trying to keep up with the group ... OK I made it up there , plenty of time catching my wind . Take a few photos over looking Paris making sure to add a gargoyle ... What ever goes up must come down ... Let me just say Vertigo .... Beautiful place , it's really a tragedy
    I have enough experience to know , that I dont know it all
  • ttekushan_3ttekushan_3 Posts: 915Member
    Apparently the art and artifacts were safely removed, including the crown of thorns. But the rest– and the windows are devastated by the fire.

    Notre Dame rose to transcend its Frenchness and Catholic origins. In my mind, it also belongs to all humanity that recognizes higher aspirations and is willing to accept a guiding hand to do so.

    In these times this tragedy may be a good reminder that there’s truly more that unifies us rather than divides us. I hope it sticks.
    terry
  • SteamheadSteamhead Posts: 12,788Member

    Doesn't look good watching it now. French President declaring a national emergency...they want to try and save some of the art.

    Survived world wars etc now this
    very sad

    Couldn't survive stupid.
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  • STEVEusaPASTEVEusaPA Posts: 2,772Member
    So sad. We were there a few years ago and had a pretty extensive tour.
    steve
  • DanHolohanDanHolohan Posts: 14,529Member, Moderator, Administrator
    I’m watching The Hunchback of Notre Dame right now. Good perspective.
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  • EBEBRATT-EdEBEBRATT-Ed Posts: 5,466Member
    Well, what kind of heating system did it have?

    Steam I hope :) :)
  • Jamie HallJamie Hall Posts: 10,145Member
    Looks as though I may have been unduly pessimistic and just possibly the stone vaulting may have survived -- which would mean that the some of the glass may also have survived. Which would be little short of a miracle -- and a testament to the skill of the masons, 800 years ago, who built it...
    Jamie



    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England.



    Hoffman Equipped System (all original except boiler), Weil-Mclain 580, 2.75 gph Carlin, Vapourstat 0.5 -- 6.0 ounces per square inch
  • Erin Holohan HaskellErin Holohan Haskell Posts: 954Member, Moderator, Administrator
    It looks like all three of the stained glass rose windows were saved.

    In Gothic architecture, they added the stone vaulting to prevent the spread of fire to the rest of the building if the wooden roof above were to catch fire. (Nicknamed "The Forest", there were 52-acres-worth of trees that made up the roof beams.)

    It looks like the vaulting did its job, but... The limestone that makes up the building's exoskeleton could still crack if exposed to high heat, especially if it is doused with cooler water, affecting the structural integrity of the building.

    As for the heating system, the Notre Dame Cathedral is on Paris' district heating system. More info here: http://www.districlima.com/districlima/uploads/descargas/publicaciones/District_Energy_-_Paris_Cover_Story_FR.pdf and here: https://www.districtenergy.org/HigherLogic/System/DownloadDocumentFile.ashx?DocumentFileKey=b7d8029e-fb30-d023-a362-50f251a39458

    In the crypt under the courtyard, there are remnants of a Roman hypocaust, one of the most ancient heating systems: http://www.crypte.paris.fr/en/crypt/more-2000-years-history
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  • DanHolohanDanHolohan Posts: 14,529Member, Moderator, Administrator
    Nice research, Erin. Thanks!
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  • Jamie HallJamie Hall Posts: 10,145Member
    Thanks, Erin! And it does look from what I've seen this morning that the three rose windows may have survived -- although at least some of the clerestory windows look pretty bad. It also looks as though the infill fell in two areas, but from the pictures the actual vault ribs may have survived... it will be months, though, before the structural evaluation can be completed.
    Jamie



    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England.



    Hoffman Equipped System (all original except boiler), Weil-Mclain 580, 2.75 gph Carlin, Vapourstat 0.5 -- 6.0 ounces per square inch
  • SeanBeansSeanBeans Posts: 263Member
    If any of you are into reading 8)

    World Without End & Pillars of the Earth by Ken Follett are two novels about the building of cathedrals and architecture of cathedrals.

    Of course there is much more to the books but if this tragedy has you itching for a book to read, those are them!
  • DanHolohanDanHolohan Posts: 14,529Member, Moderator, Administrator
    That book is magnificent.
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  • Jamie HallJamie Hall Posts: 10,145Member
    There is a also a book about the building of the National Cathedral in Washington -- it wasn't finished (isn't yet) when it was written, and it's a rather limited edition -- but worth looking for: For Thy Great Glory.

    And, for that matter, if you are in the New York area and haven't visited St. John the Divine, or in Washington, and haven't visited the National Cathedral (which, incidentally, has a rose window the equal of any in the world), they're worth the visit.
    Jamie



    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England.



    Hoffman Equipped System (all original except boiler), Weil-Mclain 580, 2.75 gph Carlin, Vapourstat 0.5 -- 6.0 ounces per square inch
  • nicholas bonham-carternicholas bonham-carter Posts: 7,803Member
    Yet some more German thoughts on fire prevention:

    https://p.dw.com/p/3Gwno
  • DanHolohanDanHolohan Posts: 14,529Member, Moderator, Administrator
    Saint John the Devine is breathtaking. They should be finished with that one in about a hundred years.
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  • Jean-David BeyerJean-David Beyer Posts: 2,601Member
    edited 1:01AM
    I read the the smaller pipe organ was totally destroyed, but the big one was spared. And the big rose window was spared as well as the two towers with the bells in it.

    Also, in March (IIRC) there was a fire at the St. Sulpice church.
  • Jamie HallJamie Hall Posts: 10,145Member
    There are -- or were -- several organs in Notre Dame (there are in most cathedrals, for that matter. Apparently the main organ was saved...

    Here's a YouTube of what it was like, and God willing will be again:
    Jamie



    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England.



    Hoffman Equipped System (all original except boiler), Weil-Mclain 580, 2.75 gph Carlin, Vapourstat 0.5 -- 6.0 ounces per square inch
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