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First cleaning in 9 years.

STEVEusaPASTEVEusaPA Posts: 2,557Member
edited February 11 in THE MAIN WALL
Can't believe this boiler was installed 9 years ago and never cleaned. First time at this house.
Chamber collapsed, full of kibbles and bits. Flue pipe rotted out. Chimney base over 1/2 blocked. Heat exchanger...well you see the pics. Usually only see a Riello able to power thru that blockage.
5 hours (1.5 to run and get chamber kit).
Can't believe Crown boiler charges 4x for their kit over a Lynn kit for practically any other boiler. No one carries them but at least they were close by.
Glad they have heat, the bill was pretty huge. Hope they don't try to go another 9 years...lol

What fun did you have today? :)





steve

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  • kcoppkcopp Posts: 3,296Member
    Wow... Since you asked. We pulled out this Weil 66-6 section oil boiler converted to gas. Installed about 1978.. cracked last week. Been after the owners to replace for 5 years. Had a Wayne conversion burner. Bottom on the boiler was plugged 80%.
  • SuperTechSuperTech Posts: 688Member
    I've had three worse than that in the past week. The worst being a hallmark furnace that almost filled the soot vacuum twice. Wrong nozzle, wrong pump pressure, wrong burner head! Producing 400+ PPM CO upon arrival for a "tune up" that took me six hours and left me looking like a chimney sweeper.
    I should really start taking pictures, at least then one good thing will come from it. It will make for good story telling.

    The Hallmark furnace was seven years old, blocked chimney, rotten flue pipe. The air filter looked like it could have been from the original installation, plugged and sucked on to the blower assembly.
  • EBEBRATT-EdEBEBRATT-Ed Posts: 4,977Member
    Back when I used to do residential stuff like that if I ran into a bad one like that I would do the same as you guys did, suck soot, replace parts fix it up good. But that was it. I told the owner they had to maintain it.

    If they didn't call me to maintain it properly after 2 years was my limit. I was done they could get someone else. I only suck soot one time /job if they made no effort to maintain it
  • delta Tdelta T Posts: 717Member
    Ran into this one last week....that was fun. I am so sick of clothes dryers being installed in mechanical rooms. Don't care how well it's vented, still will screw with boilers, especially when no tune ups are done in 20 years.....



  • STEVEusaPASTEVEusaPA Posts: 2,557Member
    So were all having fun.
    My absolute worse was an oil fired furnace hanging from the ceiling in an auto repair shop. The mechanic/owner used to try to clean it and tune it up himself. Very wealthy cheapskate.

    Completely sooted up to the point it was blowing black snow flakes out the flue all over the lot.
    Had to work on a pallet up on a fork lift.
    I was so dirty I took my pants and sweatshirt off and thru them in the trash. Drove back to the shop in my T-shirt and boxers.
    Unlike @delta T , no pic of that, luckily...

    The footnote to that is after the guy paid the bill, he was mf'ing me all over town about how I over charged him. I was delivering oil and taking care of his shop, house, the boatyard he owned and his rental property. And I gave him better pricing due to the volume of business.
    Few weeks later I saw him sitting at the bar in the yacht club where he’s a member (service call for their boiler). Told him off and embarrassed him in front of everyone there and told him he’s fired as a customer, to go find someone else.
    For about 2 years he'd see my father and try to apologize and want him to talk to me about being a customer again.
    steve
  • HVACNUTHVACNUT Posts: 1,820Member
    Last Friday.
    EK -1 Frontier. Agreement lapsed after the first year, 8 years ago. Hasn't been touched since. Pulled the chamber, brush and vac. Down fired. New chamber, Pac Man and amulet on order.
    The Soot God has unleashed its wrath on us. Customer sacrifice?
  • SuperTechSuperTech Posts: 688Member
    edited February 12
    @delta T That's a real good one you got. I didn't realise how severe it was until I scrolled down and saw it was gas. I'm surprised you are dirtier! Gas soot is the absolute worst.

    @HVACNUT I've never seen an EK soot up like that. Other than owner neglect what was the primary cause of the mess? Cracked amulet? Plugged nozzle/strainer?

    Customer sacrifice is a good idea. I think Steve posted a perfect example of how it's done 😀
  • SteamheadSteamhead Posts: 12,655Member
    These are only the latest in a long, long, LONG line..........

    https://forum.heatinghelp.com/discussion/146509/quot-serviced-every-year-quot-we-were-speechless

    https://forum.heatinghelp.com/discussion/132567/one-of-the-worst-maintained-oil-fired-boilers-weve-seen

    .... ad nauseum.

    @kcopp , I know that burner. Betcha that poor old 6-66 was wayyyyy overfired. This would explain the soot, and possibly the crack too.
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  • kcoppkcopp Posts: 3,296Member
    @Steamhead You are probably correct. The end cone was partially melted off. The burner was installed in 1980. I took one look at the pilot a couple years back and was petrified about the long pilot it had. 6" long. I told them I knew nothing about it and didn't dare touch it.
    This is the largest steam install I have done.
    Im just a small system guy.
  • HVACNUTHVACNUT Posts: 1,820Member
    > @SuperTech said:

    > @HVACNUT I've never seen an EK soot up like that. Other than owner neglect what was the primary cause of the mess? Cracked amulet? Plugged nozzle/strainer?
    >
    >
    I've never seen this on an EK either.
    As of now, I have no idea what the cause is but I can say it's not the fuel pump. First thing I checked. I have it down fired and I'm safe with my numbers until the repair. Puff switch works and I have one in the van if needed. Another good vac, put back a .75 and then see what's what.
  • SuperTechSuperTech Posts: 688Member
    I'm glad for the homeowners sake that the puff switch works! Keep me posted on what you find out. I'm guessing that it was a combination of issues causing that mess.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 85Member
    Thank you for you post and photo, @HVACNUT .

    The chamber is a near perfect burning environment that incinerates the fuel so it is extremely clean burning. To have the results you showed, something most likely interfered with the burner nozzle atomization or spray pattern and caused it to burn extremely poorly (possibly some blockage in the nozzle orifice or some impingement or build up on the burner head/nozzle that occurred over time, etc.).

    After your quality cleaning and tune-up as you described, I'm sure that system will be restored to efficient and reliable operation for the long term. This is a good example of why customers should insist on an annual tune-up, even on the best equipment.

    Thank you for restoring this boiler to good working order and all your positive work to keep people warm and happy!

    Roger
    President
    Energy Kinetics, Inc.
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