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Lineset Leaks

Is anyone having issues with white linesets leaking? By that I mean the tubing and not the connections. So far I have replaced 10 linesets (20 individual lines) and have many more pending. These lines were manufactured in 2014, 15, and 16. It takes 2 to 3 years for the leaks to show up. I am an infrequent visitor, but have posted on this site in the past and am aware it is more oriented towards hydronics. With that said, I will not at this time name the manufacturer. Please note it is white pipe with white insulation as opposed to white pipe containing dark insulation. I have many more details but at this time I am just trying to determine if it is only me and a few others that got this stuff or if it is wide spread.
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  • EBEBRATT-EdEBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 4,695
    I am assuming the tubing is leaking and not at any joints??


  • GWGW Member Posts: 3,202
    Shrub we had two leakers thus far. One cost us some huge hours (my guys were stumped). The second one we identified and fixed in a fraction of the time. I think I posted a video here or somewhere a while back, took the line back to our shop and I pressurized it, bubbled it
    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    www.wilsonph.com
    [email protected]
  • GWGW Member Posts: 3,202
    Ed yes see second sentence
    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    www.wilsonph.com
    [email protected]
  • HVACNUTHVACNUT Member Posts: 1,710
    Yes, the installation dept where I work almost went nuts with those line sets. Contact the manufacturer and get refunded.
  • GWGW Member Posts: 3,202
    I'm unsure what you mean by white pipe though. That's a new one on me
    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    www.wilsonph.com
    [email protected]
  • ratioratio Member Posts: 1,768
    It has a hard(er) white plastic jacket over the actual insulation. One flavor has a texture, like knurling; but I think l I've seen a smooth covering too. It does seem to last better than Armaflex™ when you're pulling it. I suuure hope it's not a systemic problem…
  • DZoroDZoro Member Posts: 562
    @Big Shrub, the white pipe, are you referring to the actual copper tubing as white tubing, or the white jacket over the copper tubing?
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  • Big ShrubBig Shrub Member Posts: 17
    Gary, I guess I am not the only one with leaks. I got reimbursed for the first few, but not my last one. I have over 9,000' of this stuff out there. I posted on HVAC-Talk and only 1 so far with leaks. I too went nuts with the first few systems losing refrigerant. Now we go to the piping first. I have a collection of nasty looking copper.
  • HVACNUTHVACNUT Member Posts: 1,710
    This is copper line sets for ductless with white insulation.
  • pecmsgpecmsg Member Posts: 431
    I wish he would just say what manufacture it is...

    Id like to know if I have any out there!
  • Big ShrubBig Shrub Member Posts: 17
    I hope we got the color thing cleared up. It is regular ACR soft copper with continuous white insulation. There are a couple of different manufacturers. Those familiar will know the difference.
  • pecmsgpecmsg Member Posts: 431
    So your saying ALL manufactures are having this issue!
  • ChrisJChrisJ Member Posts: 9,302
    pecmsg said:

    So your saying ALL manufactures are having this issue!

    I didn't see him say that.
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment
  • pecmsgpecmsg Member Posts: 431
    Big Shrub said:

    I hope we got the color thing cleared up. It is regular ACR soft copper with continuous white insulation. There are a couple of different manufacturers. Those familiar will know the difference.

    ChrisJ said:

    pecmsg said:

    So your saying ALL manufactures are having this issue!

    I didn't see him say that.
  • ChrisJChrisJ Member Posts: 9,302
    pecmsg said:

    Big Shrub said:

    I hope we got the color thing cleared up. It is regular ACR soft copper with continuous white insulation. There are a couple of different manufacturers. Those familiar will know the difference.

    ChrisJ said:

    pecmsg said:

    So your saying ALL manufactures are having this issue!

    I didn't see him say that.
    I didn't realize there were only two manufacturers of that style.

    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment
  • EBEBRATT-EdEBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 4,695
    edited January 11
    OOPs, guess I can't read.

    Remind me of a high pressure gas job that wouldn't hold test pressure. After spending days soaping every joint it was the 'foreign" pipe leaking on the seam.

    That's a bad situation
  • GWGW Member Posts: 3,202
    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    www.wilsonph.com
    [email protected]
  • Big ShrubBig Shrub Member Posts: 17
    Nice video Gary. I have had the same type of failure many times and I only test in the shop at 100 psi.
    Social media has been the downfall of many a good man and sometimes a good company. I will not publicly be pointing fingers at any manufacturer, supply house or anyone else. Just trying to save you all some aggravation. If you have leaks and white insulation, don't be tearing equipment apart looking for leaks until you thoroughly test the tubing - especially if it is dated 2013 thru 2015.
  • Big ShrubBig Shrub Member Posts: 17
    So far it is 8 different 164' rolls that had leaks.
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