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GW
GW Member Posts: 4,701
we needed to re-do a few things. This boiler was oddly relocated to this side of the basement 30 plus years ago (original boiler in center of basement, maybe 18 feet away or so. The dude that moved it in the 1980s didn't drip the two mains that were pitching counter-flow to reach where the old-old boiler used to be. Our drips are a little busy looking yet it is what it is. The old vents to chimney were a little gnarly, we dropped a new ss liner and made it a little nicer. Yes it's close to the meter, yet the gas co has been changing the meter every 7 years for the last 30 plus years.



Gary Wilson
Wilson Services, Inc
Northampton, MA
gary@wilsonph.com
Ironman

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  • Ironman
    Ironman Member Posts: 7,379
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    Nice job, GW.
    Bob Boan
    You can choose to do what you want, but you cannot choose the consequences.
    GW
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 15,619
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    looks good. What was the old boiler Weil or Burnham??
  • GW
    GW Member Posts: 4,701
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    Weil i think---I didn't pay much attention to it!
    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    gary@wilsonph.com
  • GW
    GW Member Posts: 4,701
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    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    gary@wilsonph.com
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 15,619
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    U must go to Premier. Every time I go into Webb they lack CI fittings in the larger sizes
  • GW
    GW Member Posts: 4,701
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    Haha no premier has the import stuff I think. We stock enough cast in our shop to do a couple of small steamers Springfield Plumbing is the way to go DJ is the man. Don't get me going on a vendor rant
    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    gary@wilsonph.com
  • EzzyT
    EzzyT Member Posts: 1,296
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    Good looking install @GW
    E-Travis Mechanical LLC
    Etravismechanical@gmail.com
    201-887-8856
    GW
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 16,893
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    The old one looks like a Weil-McLain 68 series. I bet that Midco E20 had a lot of trouble firing it, since the flueways in a 68 offer a lot of resistance.

    Nice work on the new one.
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
    GW
  • GW
    GW Member Posts: 4,701
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    yes we have a small collection of the burners, some day they will be extinct
    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    gary@wilsonph.com
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 16,893
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    The sooner the better. But Midco's EC series is a much better unit. We've replaced a couple E20s with ECs, and gotten much better efficiency.
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
  • GW
    GW Member Posts: 4,701
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    I've done some Carlin

    Just trying to be a hero down the road when some old clunky Economite system doesn't work, and we can get someone though a rough spell.

    I hope that notion doesn't back-fire.
    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    gary@wilsonph.com
    New England SteamWorks
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 15,619
    edited September 2017
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    Never did much with Springfield. United Plumbing use to be my go to place in the old days, when they were both over by Springfield College. They're pretty good. Webb's prices are always HIGH. Never had much luck with Premier..Chinese junk. Holyoke Supply was a cool old place but their gone. never did much with Bay State either.

    Independent Pipe in Bloomfield, Ct is the best. they deliver. there Pipe Valve and fitting.......no plumbing.

    New place in Chicopee..PV Sullivan Supply Boston area Company that opened in Chicopee a year or so back.

    Think they got bought by Fergueson
    GW
  • GW
    GW Member Posts: 4,701
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    Yes I talk to John Regan once is a while. Jack was his father? He passed away, gosh he couldn't have been that old. I remember way back Johns grandfather died, I was at united that day and the place was kinda buzzing with emotion. I haven't been there in many years
    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    gary@wilsonph.com
  • GW
    GW Member Posts: 4,701
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    And we added this fellow too, the 1980s dude just capped the end (well, it used to be the beginning) of the main. This main has some rads on it
    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    gary@wilsonph.com
  • New England SteamWorks
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    Very nice @GW ! I never use those boilers with side supplies for steam. Yours are the first photos I recall having seen of someone piping them correctly! Normally it's completely, 100%, FUBAR.
    New England SteamWorks
    Service, Installation, & Restoration of Steam Heating Systems
    newenglandsteamworks.com
    Paul S_3
  • GW
    GW Member Posts: 4,701
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    Thanks SteamW, i try to use my reading abilities, the manual is like a picture book
    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    gary@wilsonph.com
  • Danny Scully
    Danny Scully Member Posts: 1,426
    edited September 2017
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  • GW
    GW Member Posts: 4,701
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    Ha well it is a one pipe steamer! No pumps or traps, that weird stuff
    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    gary@wilsonph.com
  • j a_2
    j a_2 Member Posts: 1,801
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    Nice work, I do guestion the combustion venting, but I could be wrong, for some reason my eyes dont see smaller over the larger, but again possibly my eyes are wrong
  • HVACNUT
    HVACNUT Member Posts: 5,863
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    > @EBEBRATT-Ed said:
    > looks good. What was the old boiler Weil or Burnham??

    It's a 66 series WM.
  • GW
    GW Member Posts: 4,701
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    j a said:

    Nice work, I do guestion the combustion venting, but I could be wrong, for some reason my eyes dont see smaller over the larger, but again possibly my eyes are wrong



    The water heater runs right into the 6" tee's run
    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    gary@wilsonph.com
  • j a_2
    j a_2 Member Posts: 1,801
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    I was thinking the smaller has to be over the larger, as well on a common vent that water heater needs to be vented before the boiler....
  • GW
    GW Member Posts: 4,701
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    hmmm any code geeks out there? It seems legit, been doing that for a long time
    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    gary@wilsonph.com
    Paul S_3
  • j a_2
    j a_2 Member Posts: 1,801
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    Not thinking that's correct because it's always been smaller over the larger. Unless things have changed since I retired and don't need to attend code class in mass due to my age
  • GW
    GW Member Posts: 4,701
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    this is generally referred to a 'common vent connector', common meaning multiple. I know when you/I enter a vertical chimney twice i also would have the smaller on top.

    The inspector is on the ball, he passed it. He had me go to another job we did a while back and wanted me to give him a small write up of the free area for combustion air. That was good too.
    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    gary@wilsonph.com
  • j a_2
    j a_2 Member Posts: 1,801
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    Yup but smaller over the larger is not what I see
  • GW
    GW Member Posts: 4,701
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    That's becasue we are using a common vent connector, we didn't enter the vertical shaft twice, we entered it once
    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    gary@wilsonph.com
  • j a_2
    j a_2 Member Posts: 1,801
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    A common vent is the use of a vertical vent aka chimney...what you have is a manifold...An my belief always was that when just the lesser BTU appliance is running it will draw air thry the vent dam-miner of the larger appliance and dilute it,which in turn causes poor draft....but again that's what I was taught, maybe things changed
  • j a_2
    j a_2 Member Posts: 1,801
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    Anyway it's always nice to have a professional discussion, with another pro as yourself...i only brought it up as a discusssion,I think it's worthy of some homework
  • GW
    GW Member Posts: 4,701
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    yes I've seen this throughout my entire career. We could start another thread about draft if you so desire.
    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    gary@wilsonph.com
    j a_2
  • j a_2
    j a_2 Member Posts: 1,801
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    Fine by me. Your work was awesome. I guess it comes down to interpretation and AHJ
  • GW
    GW Member Posts: 4,701
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    Thank you kind sir
    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    gary@wilsonph.com
  • j a_2
    j a_2 Member Posts: 1,801
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    I am not the guru by any means but I appreciate nice neat clean jobs. Makes tradesmen look good
  • GW
    GW Member Posts: 4,701
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    yes thanks, we see lots of slop out there. I once had an employee that couldn't make a pipe straight. I think he still works for himself.
    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    gary@wilsonph.com
  • STEVEusaPA
    STEVEusaPA Member Posts: 6,505
    edited September 2017
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    That venting is fine. Would prefer to see #2 go into a Wye instead of a Tee, but who gets the room to do that, right?
    As far as dilution, I've seen 3 oil fired boilers with barometric dampers on each one and a barometric in the common vent near the chimney. When done right one doesn't affect the other.

    Edit: Didn't want to hijack the thread regarding the venting but common connector, sized to handle all connected loads is pretty common and legal. It's all black and white in the code book, just like my 3 boiler example.

    There was an error rendering this rich post.

  • j a_2
    j a_2 Member Posts: 1,801
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    That venting is fine. Would prefer to see #2 go into a Wye instead of a Tee, but who gets the room to do that, right?
    As far as dilution, I've seen 3 oil fired boilers with barometric dampers on each one and a barometric in the common vent near the chimney. When done right one doesn't affect the other.

    Not quite sure about that ,but GW may start another thread....yes on the wye..
  • GW
    GW Member Posts: 4,701
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    Oopsie, I'm not eager to start another one, you can if you want
    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    gary@wilsonph.com
  • j a_2
    j a_2 Member Posts: 1,801
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    Nope I'll just do some research.
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 15,619
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    Didn't know that Jack had a son involved in the business. Jack passed away very young. His father was a great guy helped me out a lot.

    Back in the old days before computers if you walked in there at any time John would be on the phone, never seen him without a phone in one hand and sometimes he had two phones going
    GWj a_2