new PEG

GW

we needed to re-do a few things. This boiler was oddly relocated to this side of the basement 30 plus years ago (original boiler in center of basement, maybe 18 feet away or so. The dude that moved it in the 1980s didn't drip the two mains that were pitching counter-flow to reach where the old-old boiler used to be. Our drips are a little busy looking yet it is what it is. The old vents to chimney were a little gnarly, we dropped a new ss liner and made it a little nicer. Yes it's close to the meter, yet the gas co has been changing the meter every 7 years for the last 30 plus years.

Ironman

Nice job, GW.

EBEBRATT-Ed

looks good. What was the old boiler Weil or Burnham??

GW

Weil i think---I didn't pay much attention to it!

GW

EBEBRATT-Ed

U must go to Premier. Every time I go into Webb they lack CI fittings in the larger sizes

GW

Haha no premier has the import stuff I think. We stock enough cast in our shop to do a couple of small steamers Springfield Plumbing is the way to go DJ is the man. Don't get me going on a vendor rant

EzzyT

Good looking install @GW

Steamhead

The old one looks like a Weil-McLain 68 series. I bet that Midco E20 had a lot of trouble firing it, since the flueways in a 68 offer a lot of resistance.

Nice work on the new one.

GW

yes we have a small collection of the burners, some day they will be extinct

Steamhead

The sooner the better. But Midco's EC series is a much better unit. We've replaced a couple E20s with ECs, and gotten much better efficiency.

GW

I've done some Carlin

Just trying to be a hero down the road when some old clunky Economite system doesn't work, and we can get someone though a rough spell.

I hope that notion doesn't back-fire.

EBEBRATT-Ed

Never did much with Springfield. United Plumbing use to be my go to place in the old days, when they were both over by Springfield College. They're pretty good. Webb's prices are always HIGH. Never had much luck with Premier..Chinese junk. Holyoke Supply was a cool old place but their gone. never did much with Bay State either.

Independent Pipe in Bloomfield, Ct is the best. they deliver. there Pipe Valve and fitting.......no plumbing.

New place in Chicopee..PV Sullivan Supply Boston area Company that opened in Chicopee a year or so back.

Think they got bought by Fergueson

GW

Yes I talk to John Regan once is a while. Jack was his father? He passed away, gosh he couldn't have been that old. I remember way back Johns grandfather died, I was at united that day and the place was kinda buzzing with emotion. I haven't been there in many years

GW

And we added this fellow too, the 1980s dude just capped the end (well, it used to be the beginning) of the main. This main has some rads on it

New England SteamWorks

Very nice @GW ! I never use those boilers with side supplies for steam. Yours are the first photos I recall having seen of someone piping them correctly! Normally it's completely, 100%, FUBAR.

GW

Thanks SteamW, i try to use my reading abilities, the manual is like a picture book

Danny Scully

Thats not fair to @steamhead @New England SteamWorks

GW

Ha well it is a one pipe steamer! No pumps or traps, that weird stuff

j a_2

Nice work, I do guestion the combustion venting, but I could be wrong, for some reason my eyes dont see smaller over the larger, but again possibly my eyes are wrong

HVACNUT

> @EBEBRATT-Ed said:
> looks good. What was the old boiler Weil or Burnham??

It's a 66 series WM.

GW

j a said:

Nice work, I do guestion the combustion venting, but I could be wrong, for some reason my eyes dont see smaller over the larger, but again possibly my eyes are wrong

The water heater runs right into the 6" tee's run

j a_2

I was thinking the smaller has to be over the larger, as well on a common vent that water heater needs to be vented before the boiler....

GW

hmmm any code geeks out there? It seems legit, been doing that for a long time

j a_2

Not thinking that's correct because it's always been smaller over the larger. Unless things have changed since I retired and don't need to attend code class in mass due to my age

GW

this is generally referred to a 'common vent connector', common meaning multiple. I know when you/I enter a vertical chimney twice i also would have the smaller on top.

The inspector is on the ball, he passed it. He had me go to another job we did a while back and wanted me to give him a small write up of the free area for combustion air. That was good too.

j a_2

Yup but smaller over the larger is not what I see

GW

That's becasue we are using a common vent connector, we didn't enter the vertical shaft twice, we entered it once

j a_2

A common vent is the use of a vertical vent aka chimney...what you have is a manifold...An my belief always was that when just the lesser BTU appliance is running it will draw air thry the vent dam-miner of the larger appliance and dilute it,which in turn causes poor draft....but again that's what I was taught, maybe things changed

j a_2

Anyway it's always nice to have a professional discussion, with another pro as yourself...i only brought it up as a discusssion,I think it's worthy of some homework

GW

yes I've seen this throughout my entire career. We could start another thread about draft if you so desire.

j a_2

Fine by me. Your work was awesome. I guess it comes down to interpretation and AHJ

GW

Thank you kind sir

j a_2

I am not the guru by any means but I appreciate nice neat clean jobs. Makes tradesmen look good

GW

yes thanks, we see lots of slop out there. I once had an employee that couldn't make a pipe straight. I think he still works for himself.

STEVEusaPA

That venting is fine. Would prefer to see #2 go into a Wye instead of a Tee, but who gets the room to do that, right?
As far as dilution, I've seen 3 oil fired boilers with barometric dampers on each one and a barometric in the common vent near the chimney. When done right one doesn't affect the other.

Edit: Didn't want to hijack the thread regarding the venting but common connector, sized to handle all connected loads is pretty common and legal. It's all black and white in the code book, just like my 3 boiler example.

j a_2

STEVEusaPA said:

That venting is fine. Would prefer to see #2 go into a Wye instead of a Tee, but who gets the room to do that, right?
As far as dilution, I've seen 3 oil fired boilers with barometric dampers on each one and a barometric in the common vent near the chimney. When done right one doesn't affect the other.

Not quite sure about that ,but GW may start another thread....yes on the wye..

GW

Oopsie, I'm not eager to start another one, you can if you want

j a_2

Nope I'll just do some research.

EBEBRATT-Ed

Didn't know that Jack had a son involved in the business. Jack passed away very young. His father was a great guy helped me out a lot.

Back in the old days before computers if you walked in there at any time John would be on the phone, never seen him without a phone in one hand and sometimes he had two phones going