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bkemp
bkemp Member Posts: 12
in Strictly Steam
Pardon my ignorance, I don't know the technical language here. I've noticed more light coming from under my boiler by the access door to the burner section. When I opened it this s evening the flames are coming up the side of the burner. I have video but was not able to upload it so I screenshot the video for you to see. I'm pretty sure this isn't right? Any ideas on what I need to do to remedy this? I am a 2-pipe steam system. thank you.

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  • ratio
    ratio Member Posts: 3,774
    Shut it down immediately
  • ratio
    ratio Member Posts: 3,774
    It's burning improperly, probably producing lots of carbon monoxide. Do you have a CO detector in the house? This is probably one for the pros to look at. Where are you located at? You can use the Find A Contractor form on the main page to locate someone nearby.
  • bkemp
    bkemp Member Posts: 12
    Could it just need a cleaning? There are open windows beside it in the basement.
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 16,257
    You should shut it down and get someone in to look at it, PRONTO.

    It probably needs cleaning. Both the burners and the boiler could be plugged with soot as well.

    Really needs to be looked at. If you can find a pro from this site in your area that is your best bet. If you don't have a contractor you should get the gas company in there iff you have to.
  • bkemp
    bkemp Member Posts: 12
    Thank you, it's shut down the carbon monoxide alarm is right beside it and not showing anything. I have good exhaust out and will work on getting it cleaned up and go from there. Again, thank you for your help and if you have other thoughts please let me know.
  • EzzyT
    EzzyT Member Posts: 1,338
    Make sure whoever cleans the boiler and burners that they have the proper equipment, like a soot vacuum, monometer and combustion analyzer
    E-Travis Mechanical LLC
    Etravismechanical@gmail.com
    201-887-8856
    delta T
  • j a_2
    j a_2 Member Posts: 1,801
    What your describing is a classic flame roll out.....Unless someone retro fitted it you do not have the protection of a flame roll out....Most likely it happens on start up and then appears to settle down..A cleaning is most definite in order, but honestly your looking at a replacement....Liability is what your service tech will have on his mind...as well as your safety...
  • John Mills_5
    John Mills_5 Member Posts: 952
    Why do people hang on to these relics?

    A UL listed CO alarm really needs a lot of CO built up to sound. For real safety, a "low level" alarm is the wise choice.
    delta T
  • j a_2
    j a_2 Member Posts: 1,801
    well maybe the guy purchased the house with the relic, and mr. home inspector said it all looked good...Mr home inspector is now down on a nice warm beach with the poor homeowners monies...
    delta T
  • bkemp
    bkemp Member Posts: 12
    We are trying our best to keep this "relic" up and running as safely and efficiently as we can. I am just a home owner and not an expert which is why I'm thankful for this forum and the help it has been. I don't recall in the past it being this juddmental of my decision to try and maintain a significant piece of the home, but nevertheless I am grateful for the expert's input. The burners were disassembled, cleaned thoroughly, inspected for any exhaust blockage, and is now back up and running very well.
  • Mark Eatherton
    Mark Eatherton Member Posts: 5,858
    You really should consider a new boiler. That burner can't be adjusted to a good clean flue gas sample due to the cast iron holes being enlarged due to age. If the gas company comes in and tests it, the'd most likely shut it down.

    Make sure that you keep your CO detectors up to date. They have expiration dates on them.

    ME

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  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 17,314
    bkemp said:

    We are trying our best to keep this "relic" up and running as safely and efficiently as we can. I am just a home owner and not an expert which is why I'm thankful for this forum and the help it has been. I don't recall in the past it being this juddmental of my decision to try and maintain a significant piece of the home, but nevertheless I am grateful for the expert's input. The burners were disassembled, cleaned thoroughly, inspected for any exhaust blockage, and is now back up and running very well.

    Did they perform a digital combustion test? If so, can you post the printout so we can see the result?
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
  • Mark Eatherton
    Mark Eatherton Member Posts: 5,858
    I think he DIY'ed it Frank. Anyone who does work on a boiler and doesn't perform a combustion analysis is putting their whole life and business on the line.

    If you don't test, you don't know, and God forbid, if something should go wrong, you touched it last and are responsible for any connected damages, including the loss of life, property or ability to produce.

    Don't guess, test.

    ME

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    delta T
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 17,314
    Well, he has a chance to respond to my question.............

    Almost all of the boilers we encounter for the first time have never been tested. Which proves once again: You Can't Fix Stupid!!!
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
  • BobC
    BobC Member Posts: 5,495
    And that is why I chose gas over oil 4 years ago.

    Bob
    Smith G8-3 with EZ Gas @ 90,000 BTU, Single pipe steam
    Vaporstat with a 12oz cut-out and 4oz cut-in
    3PSI gauge
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 17,314
    Hatterasguy said:

    Steamhead said:



    Almost all of the boilers we encounter for the first time have never been tested. Which proves once again: You Can't Fix Stupid!!!

    I am not aware of a single oil company that performs service in this area that uses a digital combustion analyzer. I can assure you that none of the "techs" have one on the trucks.

    What is really interesting about this tidbit is the fact that these large companies apparently do not believe their business is in jeopardy. They have, apparently, made a judgment based upon how many people with oil fired equipment are getting killed from CO poising.

    Now you can certainly be judgmental regarding the performance of these companies but they are laughing all the way to the bank and I don't see that changing any time soon.

    This will come back to bite them at some point.

    I repeat: You Can't Fix Stupid!
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting

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