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0ld pimary oil burner control ( Honeywell - R4184D ) upgrade.

ppllgg
ppllgg Member Posts: 69
edited July 2016 in Oil Heating
I hear the Honeywell Flame Safeguard is a excellent replacement & upgrade, Does anyone know of the part # of that. or make & model of the one I would need ??
Regards,
Frank S.

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  • STEVEusaPA
    STEVEusaPA Member Posts: 5,688
    edited July 2016
    You can use this:
    s3.supplyhouse.com/product_files/R7284-INSTALL.pdf
    but take special note of the wiring diagram for use with a line voltage thermostat--IOW, don't wire line voltage thermostat to T-T on control.
    steve
    ppllgg
  • ppllgg
    ppllgg Member Posts: 69
    Thanks Steve for your MUCH Appreciated Help .... Could you explain about the line voltage thermo. & The T-T control ? (I'm not that familiar with this...)
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 15,329
    Is this on your older Burnham RS boiler?
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
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  • STEVEusaPA
    STEVEusaPA Member Posts: 5,688
    Yes, as Steamhead asked, what kind of equipment do you have.
    Boiler-make/model
    Burner-make/model
    Aquastat-make/model

    ...Could you explain about the line voltage thermo. & The T-T control ? (I'm not that familiar with this...)...

    I (collective we) can only help so much. If you unsure with wiring, best let a pro come in and do the simple replacement. If you make a mistake, then you buy another control. 2 controls at your price isn't much cheaper then a pro coming in and doing it.
    steve
  • ppllgg
    ppllgg Member Posts: 69
    edited July 2016
    Thanks for your prompt reply Steve &Steamhead !!
    It's a Burnham RS -111-T-TB
    S/N 8899035 series WV-18-9A
    Burner is a Beckect Mod. AF
    I'm not sure what the "Aquastat " is or does ...It does have the other cotrolbox (above it )its also a Honeywell that deals w/ Hi-Low water temp.settings & a thermostat upstairs.
    And there seems to be (4) variations of this R7284 ...B, P, U or G ?? I'm assuming I'd be using the (U) model (Universal).
    Thanks, Your help IS GREATLY Appreciated !! :)
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 15,329
    OK- how long do you expect to keep this boiler in service, before replacing it?
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
  • ppllgg
    ppllgg Member Posts: 69
    edited July 2016
    As long as it doesn't leak, I just replaced the complete comb. chamber. & it runs & performs nice ( except for this intermittent ignition prob. that went away when I cleaned the contacts on the relay in the prim. control. that why I want to upgrade that control. Prob. will probably recurred sooner than later.
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 15,329
    OK- assuming your burner does not have a solenoid oil-delay valve, the simplest alternative is the Beckett 7505A-0000 which directly replaces your current control, with two exceptions: 1- it shuts off the ignition after the flame is established, saving electricity and wear, using separate connections for the ignition and motor, and 2- you will have to install a jumper wire across the thermostat terminals. Also, it has the current 15-second lockout time rather than the old control's 45 seconds, which is far safer. If you absolutely can't have a pro handle this, the 7505A-0000 should keep you out of trouble.

    If an older boiler is to stay in service for a while, I like to add an oil-delay valve which cleans up the starts and stops, reducing soot buildup, simplifying future maintenance and improving the unit's seasonal efficiency. This is where a more-sophisticated control like the R7284 earns its keep. All new oil burners come with this setup. But I do not recommend that a non-pro handle this type of upgrade. It has to be done just right.

    After any type of work on any combustion unit, be it oil, gas, pixie dust or whatever, a digital combustion test is mandatory. If you don't test, you're guessing- literally "playing with fire". This is another reason to have the right pro handle your burner.
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
  • lchmb
    lchmb Member Posts: 2,997
    just curious..when was the last time it was tuned up? maybe get a tuneup done and have the part on hand for them to install...just a thought..:)
  • ppllgg
    ppllgg Member Posts: 69
    THANKS STEAMHEAD & Ichmb for that Excellent Advice !! :)
    Do you know of any Central CT. HVAV Pros as your self you can recommend ?
    Regards,
    FRANK S.
  • spoon22
    spoon22 Member Posts: 32
    What town in ct are you in?
  • Paul48
    Paul48 Member Posts: 4,469
    edited July 2016
    @Charlie from wmass

    Maybe Charlie could take a ride down 91?
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 15,329
    Paul48 said:

    @Charlie from wmass

    Maybe Charlie could take a ride down 91?

    Good choice. Can't hurt to call him:

    https://heatinghelp.com/find-a-contractor/detail/charles-garrity-plumbing-and-heating
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
  • ppllgg
    ppllgg Member Posts: 69
    I'm in Southington , Ct. 06489