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The Indiana Steam House

adamfre
adamfre Member Posts: 122
Hi all! I finally got those pictures requested, here is a link back to my iCloud photos https://icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0O532ODWngzB2 What do you think?
One kind of odd thing, I didn't see a vent anywhere in the basement, is that normal with this type of system?

I'll also post a pic of the house, I finally thought to snag one on the way out lol
Just want to stay warm in the winter. :D

Comments

  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 14,831
    For some reason the pics don't display...................
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
  • BobC
    BobC Member Posts: 5,227
    You have a bull headed connection feeding a small main between the two boiler risers, how many radiators does that feed and how do those radiators work compared to the others?
    At some point that pipe should be moved so it is between the last boiler riser and the equalizer.

    Bob
    Smith G8-3 with EZ Gas @ 90,000 BTU, Single pipe steam
    Vaporstat with a 12oz cut-out and 4oz cut-in
    3PSI gauge
  • adamfre
    adamfre Member Posts: 122
    @Steamhead can you still not see it? I checked permissions and I think that album is public..... Worse comes to worse I can just posted them here, filesize Is a bit big though.
    Just want to stay warm in the winter. :D
  • Paul48
    Paul48 Member Posts: 4,470
    Wow.............Someone wrote a mortgage on that house? Someone insured it? The wiring looks like a fire ready-to-happen.
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 14,831
    adamfre said:

    @Steamhead can you still not see it? I checked permissions and I think that album is public..... Worse comes to worse I can just posted them here, filesize Is a bit big though.

    Nope, I just get a black screen and that little rotating line.

    If you can shrink the pics to roughly 640x480 and post them, they should display fine and won't take too long to load.
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
  • BobC
    BobC Member Posts: 5,227
    edited April 2016
    I had no trouble with the pics. maybe you have a wonky driver? Try a different browser.

    Bob
    Smith G8-3 with EZ Gas @ 90,000 BTU, Single pipe steam
    Vaporstat with a 12oz cut-out and 4oz cut-in
    3PSI gauge
  • Paul48
    Paul48 Member Posts: 4,470
    @Steamhead

    What Browser are you using? I'm on a fairly cheap laptop and it opens fine for me.
  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Member Posts: 17,016
    @Steamhead -- I use Firefox on laptop, no problem -- but I have a pretty fast internet connection.

    And that basement does look... um... interesting!
    Br. Jamie, osb
    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England
    adamfre
  • adamfre
    adamfre Member Posts: 122
    LOL @Jamie Hall the house has several 'issues' to put it nicely :). @Steamhead I'm shrinking the pics now, will have them uploaded soon.
    Just want to stay warm in the winter. :D
  • Fred
    Fred Member Posts: 8,518
    It takes a long time for the pictures to come up but they eventually do. I'm using Google Chrome
  • Paul48
    Paul48 Member Posts: 4,470
    Back in the day, I wouldn't have hesitated taking on a project like that. At my age, I get tired looking at it.
  • Leon82
    Leon82 Member Posts: 684
    Looks like galvanized waterlines also.
  • Fred
    Fred Member Posts: 8,518
    Paul48 said:

    Back in the day, I wouldn't have hesitated taking on a project like that. At my age, I get tired looking at it.

    Clean up the basement (old rubble stone walls always look worse they they usually are), strip out all the old tube and knob and rewire, new plumbing, might as well insulate when the walls are opened up. Can't see the condition of the roof or what's behind the aluminum siding. In these old houses, it's not what you see that's cause for concern (since you already know you have to deal with issues), it's what you can't see until you start opening things up. Any signs of termites? This is going to be a major undertaking.
    adamfre
  • Paul48
    Paul48 Member Posts: 4,470
    Believe me.......I know what's involved. I see knob and tube, arsenic wire and three-wire splices. About 25 years ago, when we were looking houses, we were in the basement of a beautiful house, when the realtor reached up and grabbed the knob and tube, as he said it had all been disconnected. Needless to say, he regretted doing that.
    adamfreSWEI
  • adamfre
    adamfre Member Posts: 122
    Here we go.... In no particular order.... iPad does not make this easy! @Steamhead I shrunk them down to about 500k, should be easier to load.
    Just want to stay warm in the winter. :D
  • Paul48
    Paul48 Member Posts: 4,470
    Why is there a gaping hole in the side of the chimney?
  • adamfre
    adamfre Member Posts: 122
    @Paul48, they managed to stuff 2 stainless flues down that chimney, and decided they needed access there :\.
    Just want to stay warm in the winter. :D
  • adamfre
    adamfre Member Posts: 122
    @Fred, one of the first things that needs to be done is to trash that basement completely out and do a through cleanup. There is barely enough room to turn around down there.
    Just want to stay warm in the winter. :D
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 14,831
    Yeah, that hole doesn't look good.

    The return line that runs horizontally roughly halfway up the wall will probably bang. It was probably below the original boiler's waterline, which would have filled it with water, but is now above the present boiler's waterline so steam can enter it. Need to move it down close to floor level.

    The steam piping around the boiler is all wrong. Consult the manufacturer's piping diagram when re-piping.

    The radiator valves are definitely vintage- they use right-and-left-hand nipples instead of unions to connect to the rad.

    Nothing I can see looks unfixable.
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
    adamfre
  • Paul48
    Paul48 Member Posts: 4,470
  • adamfre
    adamfre Member Posts: 122
    I think in that pic the smaller line goes up to a rad in the back hallway. The main line elbows over to the far side of the basement. The electric right next to it is a widow maker!
    Just want to stay warm in the winter. :D
  • Paul48
    Paul48 Member Posts: 4,470
    They reduced the size, and created a pool of standing condensate.
  • JUGHNE
    JUGHNE Member Posts: 8,924
    With a house of that vintage there could be a UG oil tank (or2) hiding in the yard. $$$ for removal.
    Even UG LPG tanks.
    Don't forget abandoned septic tanks or cesspools. (hazards)
    Needs an electrician also.
    If so then more leverage in negotiations. (Assuming you are still at that stage).
  • adamfre
    adamfre Member Posts: 122
    @Paul48, aaah, I see what you are saying there. Seems odd they would of reduced diameter within 15 foot of the boiler, and with what could be potentially 2/3 the heating load further down that pipe.
    Just want to stay warm in the winter. :D
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 11,966
    Make sure you get that plastic lid off of the drafthood before the boiler is fired up.

    Otherwise, you're going to be unhappy for a while.

    My biggest concern would be the buried oil tank.
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment
    Canucker