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greg220
greg220 Member Posts: 8
Hi I'm a homeowner and looking for help with my boiler. This is a two year old boiler and just recently started giving me issues. My oil company has been out here five times in the past couple weeks. The last guy that was here changed my burner control out said the new electronic ones are junk and put what appears to be an 8184g4009 on it. It's worse now because when I hit the reset now there is a big puff of smoke with it now, it also seems to run louder than before. I'm not mechanically inept something doesn't sound right with this? Not sure why they can't find the problem. Any advise? Thanks

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  • njtommy
    njtommy Member Posts: 1,105
    It sounds like the igniters are worn out or not lined up correctly.
    Paul S_3
  • Paul S_3
    Paul S_3 Member Posts: 1,257
    edited April 2016
    Like was said by njtommy ...electrodes are probably worn out or need realigning and a good service....where you located?
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  • greg220
    greg220 Member Posts: 8
    Rising sun Maryland
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 15,767
    edited April 2016
    I know that town fairly well. It would be a schlep from Baltimore, but if you can't find anyone closer, get in touch.

    Almost all current-model oil burner primaries have some sort of fault code storage built into them. The R8184 series does not, so that alleged "tech" deprived us of some possible clues. I hope you still have the original control, we could power it up and see if it could tell us anything.

    The puff of smoke on start-up might be due to the presence of an oil-delay valve that the R8184 cannot operate properly.
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
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  • Paul S_3
    Paul S_3 Member Posts: 1,257
    You should call and complain to your oil company. They should fix the issue....i believe steamhead is out there
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    ASM Mechanical Company
    Located in Staten Island NY
    Servicing all 5 boroughs of NYC.
    347-692-4777
    [email protected]
    ASMHVACNYC.COM
    https://heatinghelp.com/find-a-contractor/detail/asm-mechanical-company
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 15,767
    Thanks, Paul- great minds think alike!
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
  • greg220
    greg220 Member Posts: 8
    Thanks for the replies guys I thought that part he put on wouldn't solve the problem, I think I remember that same part on my old unit. He took the other control with him I'm going to demand it back tomorrow. Im also going to ask for my money back on my service contract if it's not fixed this time. I'll keep you in mind I'd they do not fix it and also let you all know how I make out thanks!
  • greg220
    greg220 Member Posts: 8
    Oh one more question I was reading through the manuals for my oil burner appears that it should be a genisys control on it does that sound right?
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 15,767
    If that's a Beckett burner, it probably came with a GeniSys. You need a special unit to access the fault codes but it can be done. We stock both the control and the access unit.

    Which GeniSys is it supposed to have? The part number might be 7505B, 7505P or similar. Also, what make and model is the boiler?
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
  • greg220
    greg220 Member Posts: 8
    It's a burnham mpo 147 and manual says 7505p on it. I hope tech still has my original control to access faults but I'm not getting my hopes up.
  • greg220
    greg220 Member Posts: 8
    Oh and a side note this unit heats my hot water too
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 15,767
    That makes sense. My supposition regarding the oil delay valve is correct, there would not be the need for a -P control if there was no valve. If the fuel unit (where the oil lines connect) says "CleanCut" on it, the valve is part of this unit.

    Not the first time I've seen an oil company do that, and probably won't be the last. They would be in a very bad legal position if the boiler puffed back and sooted up the house.
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
  • greg220
    greg220 Member Posts: 8
    edited April 2016
    Thanks for the info steamhead you sound very knowleadgeable, wish you were closer to rising sun. I'm going to be making some serious demands with this company tomorrow I'll let you know how this goes and it does say clean cut on the burner
  • burnerman_2
    burnerman_2 Member Posts: 297
    If the Boiler is two years old.... If when it was installed Was the oil filter changed ? on install .. I very much doubt control was trouble ... and most points today last longer than two years... the reason I say filter ... I've had this happen .. Company changes out boiler but filter may be 5 years old oil cant get to burner
  • 776v63
    776v63 Member Posts: 61
    @Steamhead

    There must be a timer cord on it right? The burner would never fire without it. The guy probably put one of the 4 seconds cords on. Theoretically it should run fine although that doesn't make it the right thing to do.

    @burnerman

    I see a lot of pump strainers ignored. Had a guy tell me once he doesn't touch them at all unless there is a problem. So he'd do an annual service and wouldn't even check the strainer.

    I would change the filter, check the strainer, and change the nozzle. Clean and properly adjust electrodes. Check cad cell for cleanliness, check spark and oil pressure. Verify Z dimension. Get the old primary reinstalled. That should cover most of the usual problems with oil burners.
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 15,767
    edited April 2016
    776v63 said:

    There must be a timer cord on it right? The burner would never fire without it. The guy probably put one of the 4 seconds cords on. Theoretically it should run fine although that doesn't make it the right thing to do.

    The OEM CleanCuts I've seen have a plain cord without the PD Timer built in. They assume the primary will have a built-in "valve-on delay", or in this case, both "valve-on" and "motor-off" delay. It's up to us to assume nothing.
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
  • Robert O'Brien
    Robert O'Brien Member Posts: 3,474
    MPO IQ? If so they came only with Honeywell 7284 controls to interface with IQ system
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  • greg220
    greg220 Member Posts: 8
    Ok so update I called to complain today, basically saying I want it fixed or my money back she said we can send someone out I said no I want it fixed properly this time and I want my old control back, she checked with him and said he threw it away. I said I need to talk to someone now. Put me on the phone with service manager told him everything saying he gave me an outdated control, he said what! Says he will be out there with their best tech with a new control. Came out, went though everything finally finds what they called a cracked porcelain, showed me where the spark was hitting ground. Rewired it back to the way it was with a genisys control and did a combustion test after back together. They seemed to be thorough checking pressures and suction. Hope all is well with the unit now guess time will tell. Maybe the wife can be happy now with hot showers. He talked me into staying with them for now just don't understand why it took so many service calls to find the problem?
    rick in AlaskaCLamb
  • Patchogue Phil_2
    Patchogue Phil_2 Member Posts: 304
    How's it running now?