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California bans hydronic heating installations.
Mark Eatherton
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Dateline April 1, 2016
The governor of California who earlier this year declared an emergency drought reduction program has unveiled the multi tiered water and energy reduction programs for Californians. The water crisis in California has fallen to the point that whole cities are being shut down due to the lack of water for hygiene purposes. There are people leaving the state in droves in an effort to find water. Today, the governor declared that it is illegal to use water in hydronic heating systems. "We just can't afford to waste water on keeping people warm. Having water to drink takes precedents over the non critical use for heating, therefore we have declared it illegal to use water for any purpose other than drinking."
Mark Eatherton, Executive Director of the Radiant Professionals Alliance was asked to comment on the changes. "Times are tough. When the tough gets going, the going gets tough. This is extremely unfortunate, and we are working on new system designs that are completely compatible with sea water." According to the RPA, other than certain types of stainless steel heat exchangers, most all other non ferrous components are compatible with sea water. Stated Eatherton "Our research has proven that we can utilize salty sea water in these systems with little to no problems. We are doing this in an effort to keep hydronics alive, but it is going to take some time to get these new systems on line. In the mean time, we are looking to the use of certain alcohol spirits to provide a good fluid and the antifreeze characteristic necessary for these systems. We are depending on the Vodka industry to help us in testing these systems for compliance to existing codes and standards."
Boiler manufacturers have stated that they are working on a carbon composite heat exchanger capable of withstanding the corrosive nature of sea water brine. Paul Jinkowitz of Lockinvar said that their first effort at using a carbon composite heat exchanger with Vodka didn't really go quite as well as they had planned. "We had fire departments from 4 surrounding counties on standby as we fired the first protype unit in the lab. It flashed over and there was a huge flash and bang and the whole shebang caught on fire... It took about 2 hours to quench the flames" . He said off the record that the heat exchanger burned just like the magnesium prototype that they tested years ago in an effort to make the worlds first 2.5 million btuH wall hung boiler.
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The governor of California who earlier this year declared an emergency drought reduction program has unveiled the multi tiered water and energy reduction programs for Californians. The water crisis in California has fallen to the point that whole cities are being shut down due to the lack of water for hygiene purposes. There are people leaving the state in droves in an effort to find water. Today, the governor declared that it is illegal to use water in hydronic heating systems. "We just can't afford to waste water on keeping people warm. Having water to drink takes precedents over the non critical use for heating, therefore we have declared it illegal to use water for any purpose other than drinking."
Mark Eatherton, Executive Director of the Radiant Professionals Alliance was asked to comment on the changes. "Times are tough. When the tough gets going, the going gets tough. This is extremely unfortunate, and we are working on new system designs that are completely compatible with sea water." According to the RPA, other than certain types of stainless steel heat exchangers, most all other non ferrous components are compatible with sea water. Stated Eatherton "Our research has proven that we can utilize salty sea water in these systems with little to no problems. We are doing this in an effort to keep hydronics alive, but it is going to take some time to get these new systems on line. In the mean time, we are looking to the use of certain alcohol spirits to provide a good fluid and the antifreeze characteristic necessary for these systems. We are depending on the Vodka industry to help us in testing these systems for compliance to existing codes and standards."
Boiler manufacturers have stated that they are working on a carbon composite heat exchanger capable of withstanding the corrosive nature of sea water brine. Paul Jinkowitz of Lockinvar said that their first effort at using a carbon composite heat exchanger with Vodka didn't really go quite as well as they had planned. "We had fire departments from 4 surrounding counties on standby as we fired the first protype unit in the lab. It flashed over and there was a huge flash and bang and the whole shebang caught on fire... It took about 2 hours to quench the flames" . He said off the record that the heat exchanger burned just like the magnesium prototype that they tested years ago in an effort to make the worlds first 2.5 million btuH wall hung boiler.
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I realized what this was as I clicked on it.
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As long as they don't ban the use of ice in my G&T's!
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HAHA, I realized this was a joke when I read this: Mark Eatherton, Executive Director of the Radiant Professionals Alliance was asked to comment on the changes. "Times are tough. When the tough gets going, the going gets tough1
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The headline title gave it away.....now what might draw more looks would be: "California Promoting Steam Heating" As hydronic heating is falling from favor because of excessive water demands of such systems, it has been recently discovered that steam boilers are required to be filled only a 1/3 to 1/2 full for good operation. The pipes connected to this unit are empty of water, thus the savings for the entire state is to be calculated beyond comprehension.
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I wonder how i can transport all that vodka without it disappearing....0
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Stealing this.
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That should have been included in "Greening Steam"- hey Dan, here's something for the second editionJUGHNE said:The headline title gave it away.....now what might draw more looks would be: "California Promoting Steam Heating" As hydronic heating is falling from favor because of excessive water demands of such systems, it has been recently discovered that steam boilers are required to be filled only a 1/3 to 1/2 full for good operation. The pipes connected to this unit are empty of water, thus the savings for the entire state is to be calculated beyond comprehension.
....it sounds really green doesn't it?
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I wouldn't put it past California though to do something like that.....
You never know.
Rick
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It was back in 1996 or 1997 when we installed radiant heating in Jerry Brown's new "commune" down by the train station in Oakland. The mechanical engineer specified ¾" tubing spaced on three foot centers and it was a fight to get him to let us install smaller tubing at a closer spacing.
I was on my hands and knees tying ½" polybutylene to the rebar when Jerry Brown walks over to me and asks about the polybutylene lawsuits he'd been reading about. Wow, I thought: This guy is pretty well read.8.33 lbs./gal. x 60 min./hr. x 20°ΔT = 10,000 BTU's/hour
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I'm with Rick, I thought it was true cuz it sounds just like something California would do. Good one!1
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Must be a lawyer... Most are.It was back in 1996 or 1997 when we installed radiant heating in Jerry Brown's new "commune" down by the train station in Oakland. The mechanical engineer specified ¾" tubing spaced on three foot centers and it was a fight to get him to let us install smaller tubing at a closer spacing.
I was on my hands and knees tying ½" polybutylene to the rebar when Jerry Brown walks over to me and asks about the polybutylene lawsuits he'd been reading about. Wow, I thought: This guy is pretty well read.
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Immediately my mind thought of a long time childhood friend who installs Reverse osmosis machines . He lives in Bermuda . plenty of ocean . = Solution.
april fools day did not even occur to me as i am focused upon pLS Wirsbo 1"90's .
Who would have thought a mere 12 or 13 years later they would be difficult to find on the wholesalers shelves.?
Funny Mark.
Weezbo *~/:)
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There's a worldwide shortage of the resin those (and a lot of other poly fittings) are made from. Lots of stuff from many vendors on allocation.Weezbo said:i am focused upon pLS Wirsbo 1"90's .
Who would have thought a mere 12 or 13 years later they would be difficult to find on the wholesalers shelves?
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Good to see you Weez! Don't be a stranger
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