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Power vented boiler keeps acting up

TLM
TLM Member Posts: 38
edited April 2015 in Oil Heating
System has a field with a ck63 control. Dunkirk boiler w Beckett afg. Has a 7505 genesis. On call for heat, power vent starts, then burner fires immediately..even though control had 15 sec pre purge. If I shut off power to burner and turn back on, power vent re starts the burner starts and does its 15 sec pp then lights. I have a genesis "scan tool" and according to it, all is good - 400 ohms , 123v avg. etc... Unit goes off on safety for no apparent reason. I asked customer to call when happens so I can see what's going on. Yesterday it happened again. I removed the genesis. Installed a 8184g. It's out again. Haven't gone to house yet. Any ideas?
Mount Pleasant Plumbing and Heating Inc

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  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 15,330
    How is the burner wired to the power venter?

    I've seen all different variations and the only one that works reliably is to have the thermostat (or aquastat-relay unit) start the power venter (thru a relay if needed) then have the power venter's fan proving switch start the burner.
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  • TLM
    TLM Member Posts: 38
    That's the way it's wired. I wrung out all of the wiring as per the field controls website. I think by going from a 7505 to the "old school" 8184, I can rule out the burner itself and see if something acts up now. If it does act up, it will be in the field control unit/ circuit board.
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  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 15,330
    edited April 2015
    But you lose the error reporting. Might look at the Honeywell 7284 or the new Carlin, I think they have better error reporting than the GeniSys. The 8184 has none at all, which is one reason we no longer use it.
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  • billtwocase
    billtwocase Member Posts: 2,385
    Sounds like an intermittent clean cut pump stem problem, or failing DOV base. The power vent has nothing to do with your pre-purge
  • billtwocase
    billtwocase Member Posts: 2,385
    Also make sure someone didn't wire the DOV thru the prover. Only your motor should be wired thru it
  • TLM
    TLM Member Posts: 38
    It is. Wired properly that is. Now that I think of it the pump is a bit whiney. I did do a pump pressure and cut out test at the beginning of last month when all of this weirdness started. I swapped the genesis control out. I was told by the factory that the controls that have a "K" on the label in front had problems and "kind of snuck out of the factory". Even with the 8184g control its still an intermittent lockout problem. I was thinking the CK-63 control wasn't sending power back to the motor/igniter etc
    Mount Pleasant Plumbing and Heating Inc
  • icesailor
    icesailor Member Posts: 7,265
    Did you check the Cad Cell ohms? Did you time how long the control takes to drop out after you pull a F-F wire? Sometimes, controls dropout too quickly i9f the timing is too long.

    I hated "Clean-Cut" pumps because you can't by-pass them to see if there is a delay on the opening. Suntec took a Trouble shooting tool away from us. Plus, you can't put a quik-check pump tester on the nozzle line because the coil is in the way.
  • TLM
    TLM Member Posts: 38
    Cad cell ohms were 400 all of the time. I ended up changing the pump and - knock wood- haven't heard from them.
    Mount Pleasant Plumbing and Heating Inc
  • Robert O'Brien
    Robert O'Brien Member Posts: 3,450
    Probably a bad pump stem,if the Genisys sees pre-time flame it will go into safety after 8 seconds and will say pre time flame in history as cycle end. I hope you put 7505 back on , without it you loose pre-purge and interrupted ignition
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