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Zman
Zman Member Posts: 7,611
in THE MAIN WALL
As much as I love my Thursday new letter. this one is simply not true.

<a href="http://www.earthtechling.com/2013/05/new-york-city-could-turn-to-geothermal-heating/">http://www.earthtechling.com/2013/05/new-york-city-could-turn-to-geothermal-heating/</a>



Henry Gifford does a great job explaining this one <a href="http://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/blogs/dept/green-building-blog/ground-source-heat-pumps-don-t-save-energy">http://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/blogs/dept/green-building-blog/ground-source-heat-pumps-don-t-save-energy</a>



Carl
"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough"
Albert Einstein

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  • SWEI
    SWEI Member Posts: 7,356
    Tough One

    Let's start with the clear factual error: the earth's core temperature has absolutely nothing to do with the suitability of an area for geo-exchange.



    Geo-exchange is not the universal solution many proponents claim; nor is it the scam which opponents sometimes make it out to be.  It works best when annual heating and cooling loads are *roughly* balanced (say within a 2:1 range)  and when soil moisture is high.  Payback over a modern ASHP can take quite awhile depending on the local climate.  Ground loop installation costs -- especially on existing sites -- can be prohibitive.  Depending on the source of electricity, it can produce less (or more) carbon impact than burning natural gas will.



    When correctly applied (sometimes in a hybrid system with GSHP plus a high efficiency boiler) and competently installed and managed it can produce excellent results.
  • Robert O'Brien
    Robert O'Brien Member Posts: 3,562
    COP

    What is upper limit on COP of ASHP,particularly mini split? I see this being the eventual "winner"
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  • Zman
    Zman Member Posts: 7,611
    Facts

    My point is that their is not a correct fact in the article. The heat pumps run on electricity which is produced in a fossil fuel burning power plant. As Henry points out the net efficiency and carbon footprint doesn't change. A 3 COP from a 30% efficient power source is no different than a 90% efficient boiler. A 3 COP running off PV panels is a different matter.

    CArl
    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough"
    Albert Einstein
  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 23,379
    instead of a loop field

    This company uses a fence as the loop field. Clever idea.



    A GSHP heat pump is really moving solar energy. The energy from the ground to provide heating is from the sun.



    I suppose you could make an argument that the coal is also a result of solar energy, from vegetation that grew 400 million years ago :).



    A heat pump powered by PV modules would be a nice, but currently expensive, option.







    http://www.hautec.co.uk/#fence
    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
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