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heaterheater Member Posts: 9
i have an argument i hope i can get some feedback  customer complains of high fuel bill  took a look at boiler pipping   boiler is utica  pge112cde   lets just simplify that the near boiler piping is wrong this i am sure of  pipe come out of boiler go straight to mains no equalizer no Hartford loop   no main vents  but some how heats( with a lot of banging )   no insulation, my  solution is to pipe boiler the right way first  this should help in fuel savings  however i have another contractor saying that this will not change a thing  as in no fuel savings     just need other  opinions  for argument


  • JStarJStar Member Posts: 2,668

    Do it.

    And add a lot of main venting. They'll save a lot of money.
    - Joe Starosielec
    [email protected]
  • SteamheadSteamhead Member Posts: 11,384
    If it doesn't look something like this

    it's wrong.
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    "Reducing our country's energy consumption, one system at a time"
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Baltimore, MD (USA) and consulting anywhere.
  • Jamie HallJamie Hall Member Posts: 6,708
    And furthermore...

    if it's banging, it's calling for help.  As Steamhead and JStar say, fix the piping.  Also the venting.  Also make sure the pressure is right.


    Can't quantify how much money he'll save, though -- althoug he surely will.

    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England.

    Hoffman Equipped System (all original except boiler), Weil-McClain 580, 2.75 gph Carlin, Vapourstat 0.5 -- 6.0 ounces per square inch
  • JStarJStar Member Posts: 2,668
    edited March 2013

    We repiped and added venting on a similar Utica boiler. The gas bill went from $300 to $90.
    - Joe Starosielec
    [email protected]
  • clammyclammy Member Posts: 1,996
    I and O manual

    When asked to look at steam boilers that are improperly piped and vented and the HO is complaining about high fuel bills i always bring a copy of the manafactures suggested near boiler piping .I then go over the system and check what they have to how it should be .I then make the suggestions as to what should be done and give them an estimated cost and  that is it .After being in this game for as long as i have been i have really stopped letting custermers waste my time it becomes totally unfair to the contractor and in my eyes just plan rude i  throw them back to the sea and let some one else rip then off and deal with there wishie washie crap .Been there done that if i hear oh yeah we are moving in a few years one more time i will jump .Don't let the cheap skates beat ya down just learn to grind em down.Just remenber to be able to prove why it should be repipe just what is the existing exiting velocity the way it is piped and what it will be when re piped and properly vented after all that just try not to waste more time then what will be returned ,for free you can work any place and every where and another addadge there is a reason those with huge homes and lots of coin got that way so don,t waste to much time on them they usually will never part nor pay the real price for any thin and usually that is why there systems look the way they do .Peace and good luck clammy 
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