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How often should LWCO controls be tested?

elfie
elfie Member Posts: 264
how often should the low water cutoff devices be tested on a 14 section commercial steam boiler?



is just once at beginning of season adequate?



thanks

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  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Member Posts: 15,325
    What kind of control?

    If it is a float type, you should be blowing it down regularly and, ideally, when you do it should shut off the burner.  Regularly is one of those comments, but more than once a week is probably unnecessary... and less than once a month is probably not enough.
    Br. Jamie, osb
    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England.
    Hoffman Equipped System (all original except boiler), Weil-Mclain 580, 2.75 gph Carlin, Vapourstat 0.5 -- 6.0 ounces per square inch
  • gerry gill
    gerry gill Member Posts: 3,000
    float type

    controls are supposed to be blown down weekly.
    gwgillplumbingandheating.com
    Serving Cleveland's eastern suburbs from Cleveland Heights down to Cuyahoga Falls.

  • elfie
    elfie Member Posts: 264
    LWCO testing/blowdown

    so when the LWCO blow down is done it should drain enough water from boiler to cause the LWCO to shut down the boiler



    seems this might be alot of water and goes beyond cleaning out the LWCO devices (ie. maybe doing the LWCO test monthly while doing weekly blow downs of the LWCO device.might be OK)
  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Member Posts: 15,325
    Actually it may not take

    as much water as you might think -- if the LWCO is connected through relatively small pipes -- which is often the case -- and has a nice big blowdown valve, the water in it will drop a lot faster than the water in the boiler, and it should trip.  Try it...
    Br. Jamie, osb
    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England.
    Hoffman Equipped System (all original except boiler), Weil-Mclain 580, 2.75 gph Carlin, Vapourstat 0.5 -- 6.0 ounces per square inch
  • cn30
    cn30 Member Posts: 34
    boiler feed pump

    Is there any way to shut off the boiler feed pump while doing this? My pump refills the boiler at a pretty good pace.
  • Dave in QCA
    Dave in QCA Member Posts: 1,764
    edited February 2012
    Not a good idea

    CN,    You may be able to kill the power feed to the feed pump separately from the boiler, but it's not necessary and not a good idea.  If you are like me or people that have worked for me, something will happen to distract you and then you forget to turn it back on.



    At any rate...  When you open the drain on the bottom of the LWCO/Feed pump controller, you open the valve all the way, and you do that fast.  If the boiler is firing, you will observe two almost immediate reactions.  1) The feed pump will start to run, 2) The burner will shut down.   As you are doing this, you observe for brown dirty sludgy water.  It will probably only take a very short time to clear up, say between 3 and 10 seconds, but every situation will be slightly different.  As soon as the water runs clear, shut the valve.  As soon as the float chamber refills the firing sequence will begin and the feed pump will shut off.



    As Gerry and Jamie have both said, this needs to be done at least weekly.  If this is a larger capacity boiler that runs at a maintained pressure, such as a school, hospital, etc.  This is a routine that should be done daily.  This is nothing to mess around with.  Proper operation of the LWCO is the link that stands between proper operation and catastrophe.  All you can ever know is that it worked property the last time you tested it, and that you flushed out the sediment.  If the boiler is destroyed by dry firing, and the operator states that he tested it a month ago, or last September, it will look like serious negligence. 
    Dave in Quad Cities, America
    Weil-McLain 680 with Riello 2-stage burner, December 2012. Firing rate=375MBH Low, 690MBH Hi.
    System = Early Dunham 2-pipe Vacuo-Vapor (inlet and outlet both at bottom of radiators) Traps are Dunham #2 rebuilt w. Barnes-Jones Cage Units, Dunham-Bush 1E, Mepco 1E, and Armstrong TS-2. All valves haveTunstall orifices sized at 8 oz.
    Current connected load EDR= 1,259 sq ft, Original system EDR = 2,100 sq ft Vaporstat, 13 oz cutout, 4 oz cutin - Temp. control Tekmar 279.
    http://grandviewdavenport.com
  • FJL
    FJL Member Posts: 354
    LWCO w/Auto Water Feeder

    I blow down mine once a week. My LWCO, however, has an auto water feeder attached to it, so that when I am blowing down and the water level drops, it automatically refills. Should this be disabled? Also, I was told to do this while the boiler was off, i.e., not firing and after it had cooled down a bit so as not to crack it? I don't know how, maybe b/c the auto feed might send too much cold water in at once? Anyway, does it matter whether the boiler is running or not or hot or cold when you do this?



    Thanks.
  • nicholas bonham-carter
    nicholas bonham-carter Member Posts: 8,422
    edited February 2012
    How often is natural?

    I blow down my 1,050,000 btu's as often as the water in the discharge bucket dries up, about twice a week.

    Just as important as the frequency is the method--open the discharge valve, and let the water run until it is clear, and not brown and rusty.

    While you are there, have a look around the boiler, and see if there are any leaks.

    Once a month, I use the jumper cable I have to fire the boiler, and verify the lwco turns off the boiler as I drain it. I also use that time of firing to see whether my main venting seems to be doing its job, by looking at my 0-15 ounce gauge, to see the back-pressure of venting, and if it is an ounce or so as the air is escaping, I know all is well.

    Finally, since I have no auto-feed, I can check the water-level against the clothespins I have on the rods next to the gauge-glass, and add water if needed.--NBC
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