Need some help with the best and the worst (Dan H.)

Unknown

If this will help, I can get you other pics of the house if you can't grab them from the page.

http://www.achrnews.com/Articles/Feature_Article/BNP_GUID_9-5-2006_A_10000000000000364125

I didn't take a whole lot of pix other than those of the tube layout in the concrete before we poured.

DanHolohan

Next month,

I'm going to be speaking in Paris about American heating systems and I'd like to show the audience some photos of our best and worst. Would anyone like to help me with some photos? Thanks.

Paul Pollets

Pics

What's the best way to send them? Do you want them full sized?

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DanHolohan

They'll be part

of a brief PowerPoint presentation, Paul. I can grab them from the Wall if you'd like to post them here, or you can e-mail them to me at mailroom@heatinghelp.com.

I assume you'll be sending the best? :-)

Thanks!

Brad White_203

Paul, I was going to suggest

that instead of sending them pictures of any "worst", can we send the actual systems?

Robert O'Brien

Dan

This boiler is a perfect example of a typical LI oil fired system.Oversized by a factor of 3, single pass design,no weather responsive control.Even though it has an indirect(oversized as well) it is still wired to maintain full temp 24/7.
This is not meant to bash the Mfg.It was poor sizing,selection,design and installation by the installer

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nicholas bonham-carter

heatin'em up in paris

they would love to see steam which is a rarity there[except in pressure cookers]-nbc

DanHolohan

Thanks.

That should make them say, "Hmmmm."

DanHolohan

That's in the plan.

I have some photos from the Dakota in NYC, where the radiators date to the 1870s.

Unknown

Here's a \"worst\" you might could use

DanHolohan

No wonder the water don't work!

The pipes are all clogged up with wires!

Unknown

LOL...

You saw that one too

Robert O'Brien

Nyuk,Nyuk!



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Unknown

Floor pix, garage

The basement ones are too dark

DanHolohan

Nice!

I'm speaking to the European boiler manufacturers. Can you show me some gorgeous boiler rooms?

Unknown

I don't,

take many pics unfortunately. I can go take a pic or two of the completed Munchkin I just did. Not crazy about it though because I used scrap cinder blocks the guy had hanging around to rest it on, so it's more functional than pretty. (and then there's the red pump with the green flanges issue as well, again functional but not pretty enough I don't think.)

here's the in progress pix which also show the incorrectly installed grudfos. If you think you would want to use them anyways I'll go take pix of the completed project for you. Probably tomorrow would work. I'm sure theres a few guys with better looking stuff than that who'll post for you shortly.

Brstr

Efficiency???

Actual radiant heat load, 65,000btuh. Each boiler fires @ 215,000btuh. But a great way to sell pumps..... and boilers!

JohnNY

Dan,

You can let them know we've finally discovered hydraulic separators:



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Derrick Ellefson

Don't be to cruel.

DanHolohan

Thanks.

I want to give them a sense of what goes on here, how there are no heating policemen, how good things can be, and how old some of this stuff is.

DanHolohan

That's beautiful work, John.

Thanks for sharing.

Unknown

See,

now THAT'S pretty! Would you like updated pics of the Munchkin install? It looks better without all the temporary wiring and flotsam hanging around.

Unknown

OK, a few more...

The Heat pump-pumps is the in progress pump room for the house. Some have issues with the way I set that up but it was cleared by taco and robur prior to install. Yes, I'd use some sort of hydronic separator next time.

The other two are pix of a 250,000 Viessmann boiler I found in about an 1800 sq ft house. Obviously they replaced with the same size they took out instead of doing the heat loss and resize trick.

DanHolohan

These are great!

And I'm sure the people in Paris are going to enjoy them.

May I see some more of the ugly?

Thanks.

Unknown

yes but,,,

How can we keep you down on the farm once you've seen gay Paree?

DanHolohan

I've seen it.

That's why I want to go back. :-)

JohnL

OMG. That's a huge boiler for that size house!

Dave Yates (GrandPAH)_2

A must-see tour in Paris

Within walking distance of the Eiffel no less.

The tour of the Paris sewers! No, not joking. It is one of the better more educational museum tours available & I personally gurantee you that it's worth the walk. Just ask Lois! I practically had to drag her along - until we got below the street level and she saw - first hand - just how engaging and interesting the historically-laden museum tour was to be. You'll come away with a deep appreciation for sanitation and how the plumber protects the health of the world.

Sewermen are revered in Paris. As they should be(G).

BTW, if you dine in the Eiffel Tower, be sure to check out the hydronic heating nicely tucked in out-of-sight along the expansive walls of glass.

singh

Bon Voyage

Gotta love the weighted flo checks on the vertical. And the fact that this was an all radiant job with no mixing stratedgy or boiler protection. And I love the strapping hanging off the PVC waste supporting all those pumps.

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R Mannino

Here's one for you.

Ran great for 50 years.

Matthew Grallert

state of the art in its day. save the badge

GW

I have the winner

This one is a beaut. An AC buddy of mine told this home owner that he needed a real hydronics guy to see what was up. The complaint: excessive fuel bills. I know it's hard to tell by the pics, but imagine this...(it was for real)... the primary pump was piped backwards. After the HO compalined to the GC for months, and various reps were brought in, i found the problem in 5 minutes (it would have been sooner, but I was looking for 'real life' problems). So, all of the zones were heating with mere recirculated water, and simple convection out of the limit-stomping boilers. The DHW tank was piped off of the primary (it's the very top circ on the zoning wall), but get this, the primary pump had NO JUICE on a dhw call. It's a real mind twister. We re-piped the boilers/primary last week, now we need to go back and smarten up the radiant with some modulating mixing. Gary

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Robert O'Brien

Bad,you say?

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GW

Viessmann with solar

I have a beinning to end on this install if you want more. The HXs are becasue the HO bought some special tubing for cheap; no o2 barrier. gary

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Unknown

Never been to Europe,

spent a goodly amount of time wandering around the Pacific rim however. Kind of a work as you go travel plan sponsored by my Uncle Sam.

Unknown

The standing joke was,,,

that the boiler was as big as the house.

God only knows who did that. We were there putting in A/C and I just HAD to take a pic. I imagine it short cycles a bit. Never seen it in operation.

Correction, I notice a pretty conspicous "Automatic TLC" sticker on the side of the boiler which explains everything. TLC is a company that is more of a broker that fields calls and farms the work out to pretty much whomever. They are famous for work of that caliber. I know if you call them for service you NEVER see the same guy twice, even on callbacks. Very annoying because none of them had any previous background on your equipment or who already did what so each time I dealt with them on one particular problem I had to give the guided tour all over again. They were always starting from scratch. In the case where we were using them (condo association) we finally "fired" them.

Incidentally, the problem they were working on was no fuel getting to the boiler in our building. They never did figure it out, I did using a particular resource known as "The Wall" and the people I found there. Problem was a stuck footvalve in the underground tank. Not only did the Wallies help me figure it out, they also helped me with how to get around it by running a temporary fuel line above ground and into the tank. That was just about 10 years ago.

GW

classic Americana



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GW

very nice

I like to see reducing couplings!

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Timco

Best & worst...

Tim

tim smith

Dan here are a couple pics of jobs, Tim

MW_2

zcp job

Here are a few before completion pics of a zcp job I did.